Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

[EternalVigilance]

In fact, I am annoyed enough that I am going to send Rudy a max contribution of $2,300, and do it as soon as I am persuaded he is in the race to stay.)

I'm sure some liberal hack will enjoy your money. He's got a couple of kids to put through college, I'm sure, or at least a payment to make on the Mercedes.

Still won't be enough to convince conservatives that he is one, though.

[Rex Anderson]

I am going to send Rudy a max contribution of $2,300

A great thing about Rudy is that he will not pay himself a monthly salary of $10,000 out of campaign donations, like Alan Keyes.

[EternalVigilance]

Why is it shameful?

Because it suggests that someone can get what they want on this forum with money, which, IMO, is an insult to our host.

Drop the subject with me. Jim can obviously speak for himself.

[Torie]

some liberal hack will enjoy your money. He's got a couple of kids to put through college, I'm sure, or at least a payment to make on the Mercedes.

Is that a suggestion that Rudy will illegally convert my campaign contribution to personal use, or that someone will embezzle it? Are campaign funds ever misused in your personal experience? I just want to know as a head's up.

[SJackson]

I missed the speech excerpt, this thread is difficult to keep track of. But Keyes has an exceptional talent at expressing ideas academically. Not electable, but I enjoy reading him. And even when I largely agree with him, he uncovers tangents I can disagree with.

He's not a Bolton, but he'd be a stitch at the UN.

[McGavin999]

Nobody said it was a mistake Jim, but there is NO excuse for the kind of insults that have been thrown around here lately.

It's far too early in the campaign for people to even being picking sides, we don't even know if everyone who is going to declare is known to us.

I've seen perfectly good people being harranged lately and insulted personally.

I haven't made up my mind, but I won't even bother to vote in one of the sidebar polls after that cute comment about "undecided/too dumb to vote" thing.

Yeah, this is a conservative site, but one of the most important things about conservatives is that the are supposed to be decent to each other, or is that a Christian value that no longer exists?

[EternalVigilance]

A great thing about Rudy is that he will not pay himself a monthly salary of $10,000 out of campaign donations, like Alan Keyes.

Your toolbox is really empty.

[Reagan Man]

You voted for Jimmah Carter. Didn't you?

4 posted on 01/02/2007 6:50:35 AM MST by Miss Marple

Yeah boy!

[EternalVigilance]

Is that a suggestion that Rudy will illegally convert my campaign contribution to personal use, or that someone will embezzle it? Are campaign funds ever misused in your personal experience? I just want to know as a head's up.

What I said is quite clear, and needs no clarification. The kind of political hacks that work for Giuliani are completely unprincipled, completely mercenary, and are very highly paid. They might leave your contribution for a tip. But, have at it. It's your money.

[Jim Robinson]

Lots of insults have been flying around here for a long time from every position and every direction. There's nothing new under the sun and there are no clean hands.

[Torie]

The kind of political hacks that work for Giuliani are completely unprincipled, completely mercenary, and are very highly paid.

How do you know this?

[Rex Anderson]

People donate to FR to support this forum.

People donate to the 'conservative forces' I mentioned thinking those donations will help their candidate win, not give the candidate a huge salary along with mailing lists with their names on them to be sold for more dollars in the "candidate's" pocket.

It hit me pretty hard when I realized what I was funding was fire and brimstone moral speeches, lavish lifestyles, and not one less abortion for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars donated.

[Sunsong]

but I'm just as committed as ever and will continue trying to attract like minded conservatives.

Just so I can more clearly understand where you are coming from. Are you looking for more people like Eternal Vigilance, Spiff, Narses, Reagan Man, Dirt Boy, Delphinium and the like? Are those the type of folks you consider to be *true* conservatives who are helping to further the conservative cause?

And those who aren't in lock step are treasonous liberals in your view?

[snoringbear]

Hey "Little Ray", I presume that your moniker is in reference to the amount of brain power emitting from your head?

Couldn't help myself - sorry. Anyway, yes, Rudy is way to the left of conservative thinking. BUT, it is better to have a RINO in the white house than an out and out elitist/socialist such as Obama and/or Hillary (aka The Antichrist). Reason being Rudy would have a Republican Cabinet and Republican advisors who would be able to influence his policies. Also, his coat tails may be long enough to swing enough congressional votes to effect a change in one or both houses. So, long story short, it does matter....

[McGavin999]

True, but it's two years out from the election. If this continues, the party will be a total wreck long before the election and who benefits from that?

[EternalVigilance]

How do you know this?

Because I've watched them operate for years. They're the kind that go both ways. Fitting when you're talking about Giuliani.

[Doohickey]

...he is against the Federal Government getting involved in such things and leaving it to the states.

Which is an orchestrated lie that originated right here on Free Republic shortly before the 2006 election debacle.

[Rex Anderson]

Because I've watched them operate for years.

Because of you, someone else is being watched closely. You know, the guy who paid himself 10K Per Month out of campaign donations.

Are you denying Keyes did that, EV??

[garv]

Call me cynical Al, but I find much of the alleged "need to compromise" to be based on fabricated reasoning. Every time I read that social issues or Terri Schiavo or the electorate moving to the left was the cause of the mid-term defeat I get a bit suspicious.

After all, how could reasonably intelligent people take an election in the midst of a highly unpopular war led by an extraordinarily unpopular president with a GOP controlled congress beset by a variety of scandals and the predominant media acting as the PR wing of the DNC and conclude that it was social issues that hurt the GOP?

I have a theory Al. Those who expound this line of thought do so not because they believe it, but because it furthers their ultimate goal, to expunge those unsophisticated rubes otherwise known as social and Christian conservatives from the Grand Ol' Party. The Christie Whitman "It's My Party Too" wing has been looking for an opportunity to seize back control of the party from the great unwashed for some time now and have concluded that the time is ripe. Think how much nicer it will be for them at all the cocktail parties when they don't have to spend all their time distancing themselves from those awful pro-lifers, I mean for God's sake Al, those people actually stand in front of clinics and pray! Or those NRA people, they own guns! Not just fox hunting guns, but handguns!

Now, maybe I'm cynical, but pushing a pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-homosexual former mayor of NYC seems like a very good way to marginalize all those "fringy" social conservatives and return the party to the glory days of Rocky and Jerry Ford.

If they (notice I didn't say you, because I'm being nice) succeed you can expect the same results at the voting booth.

[M. Thatcher]

The kind of political hacks that work for Giuliani are completely unprincipled, completely mercenary, and are very highly paid.

You throw insults around like candy. Name names.