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Just How Free Is Free Trade
The Evening Bulletin ^ | February 20, 2007 | Joe Murray

Posted on 02/21/2007 7:13:32 AM PST by A. Pole

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1 posted on 02/21/2007 7:13:34 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...

Free trade bump


2 posted on 02/21/2007 7:14:11 AM PST by A. Pole ("The old Republicans taxed work, savings, and investment 0 percent, and foreign goods at 40 percent")
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Free trade is costing us alot. It was one of the reason we lost the house in2006.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 7:16:40 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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yeah, the demise of american manufacturing could not possibly be caused by obscene wages and benefits paid to bolt turners, compliments of the union.......nah, must be the nasty outsourcers....


4 posted on 02/21/2007 7:18:44 AM PST by joe fonebone (Either grow a pair, or vacate your chair...)
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To: Hydroshock

Free trade is great but conscience free trade is screwing us.


5 posted on 02/21/2007 7:19:00 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: A. Pole

Even if the American people were up to "the challenge", the people behind the "New World Order" wouldn't let it happen. It seems that our government, or some very powerful people in the government, are more worried about the rest of the world than they are about America. America needs to take this country back.


6 posted on 02/21/2007 7:20:04 AM PST by RC2
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To: joe fonebone

Love it oh lump it they vote. Increasingly they are voting against free trade.


7 posted on 02/21/2007 7:20:43 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: A. Pole

Relax. I'm sure China will build our War Machine for us.


8 posted on 02/21/2007 7:22:31 AM PST by Wolfie
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America can avoid this fate if her government, and more importantly, her people decide that it is time to place country before consumerism.

Fat chance, especially with the Free Traitors whining that cheaper consumer goods can't possibly be bad... All the while ignoring the economic reality of displaced workers, lower-paying job replacement, and what most adults call "The Big Picture".
9 posted on 02/21/2007 7:22:33 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse. BRANCHES OF GOV)
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To: A. Pole; chimera
Hamilton's wisdom remained America's economic compass for close to two centuries, and during that time period America was the economic model to the world. As explained by Buchanan in his book Where the Right Went Wrong, "From 1869 to 1900, real wages rose 53 percent, commodity prices fell 58 percent, America's GNP quadrupled, and our national debt fell by two-thirds. Custom duties provided 58 percent of all federal revenues."

Bump to Alexander Hamilton!

200 years of history wasn't wrong.

The current crop of do-nothing-imposters masquerading as free traders in the Administration and amongst their governing coalition with the Rats are devoid of either all historical understanding ...or integrity.

They refuse to enforce the level playing field.

10 posted on 02/21/2007 7:23:44 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: RC2

Even if the American people were up to "the challenge", the people behind the "New World Order" wouldn't let it happen. It seems that our government, or some very powerful people in the government, are more worried about the rest of the world than they are about America. America needs to take this country back.
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Beyond any doubt, for a multitude of reasons. And throw into the mix, excessive taxation and regulations (what the socialists love) and you have the recipe for the largest trade deficit in history. Anti-capitalism will be the bane of America, when combined with the increasing socialism and bigger government control.


11 posted on 02/21/2007 7:26:56 AM PST by EagleUSA
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Echo echo echo echo echo echo...
12 posted on 02/21/2007 7:28:13 AM PST by quantim (Do not underestimate the evilness of the 'soccer mom.')
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To: Paul Ross

Alexander Hamilton. Heh.

Yes, let's conduct our economic policy based on the ideas of a person that lived and wrote over 200 years ago--brilliant!

Folks, economics is a science. We've learned a few things in 200 years.

If someone said that we should base modern medicine exclusively on the writings of a man that lived 200 years go, they'd get laughed out of the room. But when they say we should do the same with economics, for some reason, people buy it. Strange.


13 posted on 02/21/2007 7:28:40 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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British free traders, who had grown accustomed to cheap goods and food, had forgotten a nation is more than a collection of consumers. And because it forgot her national interest, Britain also left vulnerable her most basic industries.

Insert the word "America" in place of "Britiain", and you have the place we are headed today.
14 posted on 02/21/2007 7:29:01 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse. BRANCHES OF GOV)
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To: cripplecreek
Free trade is great but conscience free trade is screwing us.

Thats a great quote. Free trade is fantastic when you are actaully trading. Just sending American jobs hand over fist overseas for nothing in return is not free trade.

15 posted on 02/21/2007 7:30:43 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Hydroshock

like it or lump it, it is now a global economy...isolationismn will only spell the downfall of our own econamy. the cure is to put wages in line with skill level. when a bolt turner makes more than a college educated engineer or designer, somthing is terribly wrong.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 7:30:56 AM PST by joe fonebone (Either grow a pair, or vacate your chair...)
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Actually the outsourcing is primarily being driven by the disparate economic costs imposed by the comparative tax policies. We impose all sorts of capital gains, corporate income, and personal taxes that we make the corporations pay...plus the regulatory overburdens, i.e., pollution, OSHA, licensing, etc. And since nothing is done about the Chinese import barriers, they find it simpler and more capital-efficient to simply give in and relocate to China.

Only a systemmatic restructuring of American tax policies to fix the competitiveness issues will staunch the hemmhorraging. I have long advocated the ending of the income taxes, and switching to a national sales tax, together with a "free market" access tax that foreigners would have to pay. I.e., a uniform revenue tariff that rewards moving production into the U.S. or keeping it there.

Then with select allied countries negotiating mutual reductions of those tariffs..."reciprocity" is the traditional Republican policy.

This would restore fair trade, which is truly the only real free trade.

17 posted on 02/21/2007 7:31:01 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: snowrip

The Big Picture? What, exactly, is the big picture? Seems to me like our economy has never been stronger and the standard of living of Americans is far and away higher than it's been in our history. Since 1948--the beginning of the free trade "era", the amount of scientific progress and the advances made by society have been nothing short of remarkable--far surpassing any other similar period in the world's history.

But right. Free trade is bad.


18 posted on 02/21/2007 7:32:13 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: joe fonebone

You are making a mistake here. You are trying to look at it as economics, I am talking politics. The politics of it is free trade is a loser. And I think it is an economic loser as well.


19 posted on 02/21/2007 7:33:02 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Publius Valerius
Yes, let's conduct our economic policy based on the ideas of a person that lived and wrote over 200 years ago--brilliant!

More brilliant than you know. It's working for China as they kick your U.S.-based-butt.

Folks, economics is a science. We've learned a few things in 200 years.

Mostly not. You evidently haven't learned a thing, and manifestly have forgotten...if you ever knew... what got us up to the plateau we are now frittering away.

20 posted on 02/21/2007 7:33:09 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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