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Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy (50% won't support liberal, 57% don't know Rudy is)
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| 18 February 2007
| Tom Bevan
Posted on 02/18/2007 2:31:51 PM PST by Spiff
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To: jla
Cause your national abortion ban has 0 chance of passing and would utterly destroy the GOP. And I believe abortion is an issue for the states. You may disagree with me.
Now, if federal/Constitutional laws/rights concerning the former, (press, religion, firearms), had to at some point be made to "exist", why couldn't the same occur for outlawing abortion?
You can try. But it'll not pass. And I disagree with federalizing issues.
In which case a pro-life POTUS would make this more achievable, right?
It's as achievable with President Duncan Hunter as it is with President Hillary.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:54:22 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: republicanwizard
Well, the vast majority of social conservatives will eventually support him, but the fringe that won't can and should leave the party. Those who disagree with the socially conservative Republican Party platform are the liberal "fringe" who should leave the party. There's the door. Go find yourself a socially liberal party. The rest of us Republicans will stick with the platform that actually defines the party and fight for the issues therein. Pro-life. Pro-traditional marriage. Etcetera.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:54:43 PM PST
by
Spiff
(Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
The people your refer to as shrill and self-marginalizing, the Rudy opponents on Free Republic, are in the 85% majority here.Absolutely not. There are about ten of them. I have total respect for Rudy opponents, as any read-through of my posts will reveal. I am referring to the shrill, angry, anti-Rudy-spam posters.
As far as Giuliani's support, feel free to believe it is as low as you say. See you at the convention.
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
What is the current membership of the F.R., the total #? The polls draw very few votes.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:55:02 PM PST
by
BonnieJ
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
It also suggests that when Republicans know fully what Giuliani stands for, as they do in large numbers here, they have a very hard time supporting him. Well put.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:56:23 PM PST
by
DocH
(Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
To: NapkinUser
Sorry, I didn't realize you were being sarcastic.
More made-up Rudymite facts
Come on now. We all know the Rudyophiles never resort to name calling and disparagement. They never post unproven facts, and they never cite their own personal opinion as fact.
The Rudyophiles are just perfect little Americans, smarter than God Himself and certainly more wise than any of us Neanderthal Christians*.
* Of the same variety that Reagan met, and prayed with, habitually.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:56:34 PM PST
by
jla
To: DocH
Smart way to avoid answering the points I made. Social freedom is as important as economic freedom, in my opinion. I don't want the evangelicals to dictate what people can or cannot do with their lives. Did you not notice the gambling ban the GOP pushed through with substantial Democratic support?
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:56:42 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: LtdGovt
Cause your national abortion ban has 0 chance of passing and would utterly destroy the GOP.Reagan never thought so. Was he wrong in this belief?
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:57:30 PM PST
by
jla
To: LtdGovt
To: republicanwizard
Opposition to Giuliani is centered around a bunch of extreme fringe zealots. Good riddance to them. I welcome their exit from the party. You should be a campaign mgr. Your candidates would sure go far!
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:58:37 PM PST
by
jla
To: M. Thatcher
I don't think it's intellectually honest or useful to demonize or dismiss those who have legitimate criticisms of Giuliani's positions.It's the same fallacy many anti-Rudy posters use, dismissing Giuliani supporters as liberals and commies and such.
That is actually very reasonable.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:59:31 PM PST
by
NapkinUser
(Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
To: LtdGovt
I am not an extremist nor a one issue voter. BUT, I will not vote for Rudy under any circumstance, and I will not leave the party. BTW, we have active duty children who put their lives on the line everyday. Don't even begin to question my patriotism.
To: jla
Reagan never thought so. Was he wrong in this belief?
Yes, he was. The American people are not going to accept a nationawide abortion ban, regardless of what the good-intentioned and optimistic Gipper thought.
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posted on
02/18/2007 3:59:54 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: mariabush
Why would I question your patriotism? It just seems odd to me that people would risk surrender in the WOT, just so that they don't have to vote for Rudy. The WOT is the most important issue facing America today.
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posted on
02/18/2007 4:01:16 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: LtdGovt
Good enough, you're certainly allowed to your opinion.
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posted on
02/18/2007 4:01:47 PM PST
by
jla
To: LtdGovt
Cause your national abortion ban has 0 chance of passing and would utterly destroy the GOP. The Human Life Amendment, which would overturn Roe v. Wade and provide protection for unborn children is in the Republican Party platform you moron. What is destroying the GOP - the party of life and the party founded upon protecting the lives and freedom of slaves - are the abortionists who want to force their extreme disregard for human life on Republicans with conscience. We will not sit idly by while the liberals attempt to hijack the party.
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posted on
02/18/2007 4:02:12 PM PST
by
Spiff
(Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
To: Spiff
I genuinely appreciate Giuliani's leadership in terms of his history of crime-busting and the 9/11 aftermath. I don't want to take that away from him.
And, I don't consider myself a one-issue voter. But, good grief, with just about everything I really, really care about... borders, 2nd-Amendment, civil unions, abortion, and such, it seems that Rudy is on the opposite side. Then, were he to receive the nomination, there'll undoubtedly be, along the way to the election, a steady drumbeat of stomach-churning stories about adultery and mistresses and such.
I just can't swallow all that. It's just way too much. And, I'm a lifelong Republican who has always voted for the "R" candidate. But, I'll just have to consider some 3rd-party option, if Rudy is the nominee.
To: jla
Did Reagan ban abortion? Wasn't Reagan for abortion before he was against it?
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posted on
02/18/2007 4:05:24 PM PST
by
Hildy
(RUDY IN 2008)
To: Spiff
We've got a lot of work to do to educate them.
I assure you that Hillary Clinton will do a fine job of educating the voting public when it comes to Rudy's liberal record. She knows full well that her party's liberals will not cross the aisle to vote for Rudy... ...and that revealing his stances will destroy any chance he has of winning a general election.
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posted on
02/18/2007 4:06:28 PM PST
by
Old_Mil
(http://www.gohunter08.com/)
To: M. Thatcher
There is unfortunately NO conservative candidate that can win. So, I'll take the anti-Democrat vote and go with the front-runner, Rudy. If Mitt vaults ahead of Rudy, I'll go with Mitt. If Duncan leap frogs ahead, I'll not only vote for Duncan but work on his campaign.
We must MUST win against the slide to socialism. If we cannot win with conservative values outright, then we must stall the slide as best we can. We cannot stall the slide if we don't win.
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posted on
02/18/2007 4:06:49 PM PST
by
debg
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