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Move to Dump Electoral College Defeated in Montana, North Dakota
Newsmax ^ | 2-9-07 | AP via Newsmax

Posted on 02/09/2007 4:55:25 AM PST by Alia

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More in the news today: Thread on FR: Electoral College dropout (Colorado)

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He's baaack! Sen. Ken Gordon is at it again. After failing to undermine the Electoral College in the last session of the state legislature, he's hoping to have better luck this year with a Democratic majority in both houses and a Democrat as governor. Senate Bill 46 would include Colorado in a compact of other states that pledge to cast all their electoral votes for whichever presidential candidate gets the most popular votes, nationally, regardless of who gets the most votes in our state.

In other words, Coloradans would sacrifice their own choice for president to a scheme designed to kill the Electoral College.

101 posted on 02/09/2007 9:32:31 AM PST by Alia
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To: Alia

North Dakota's House voted 60-31 Thursday to defeat the plan. In the Montana Senate, it lost 30-20.




The votes were lot closer than I would have thought.


102 posted on 02/09/2007 9:36:40 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE (Free speech for thee, but not for me?)
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To: alrea
ESPN is carefully pointing out how racist this is.

maybe ESPN should be concerned why the World Series is won by the team who wins the most games. By thier logic it should obviously be won by the team that scores the most total runs.

103 posted on 02/09/2007 9:37:38 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Alia

So, why even vote if your state's electoral votes go to a nationwide winner? Well, because in a really close election, your one vote could be the one vote that put your candidate into the majority?

That already is a lame argument on a state basis, but in a vote of 120 million people, we think that one vote will change the election?

And if it does, how do we do the recount to see?

There's a really big problem with these laws. Do any of these people actually KNOW when the final popular vote counts are certified in this country for presidential elections?

I believe if they look, they will see that there were still votes being counted months after the election was over. Each state has rules about the vote spread that allows them to certify results before all the votes are counted (for example, there's no need to rush the absentee ballot counts if there are 10,000 absentee ballots and the winner is ahead by 100,000 votes).

But if you have to wait until the nationwide popular vote count is certified before you grant your electors, how are you going to force California to certify a state-wide popular vote, with all recounts done, in time for your Colorado electors to be properly instructed?

There's many good reasons for electoral college, one of them is that it makes each state responsible for counting their own votes and picking their own electors. It doesn't matter if Colorado has liberal voting laws with 3-week pre-election voting, or if Oregon has no-questions-asked absentee balloting, while some other state might require 2-month advance registration and in-person that-day voting.

Because each state's voters are equally effected by the law, and their laws only effect their own choice of electors.

If you passed a law allowing nationwide popular vote to govern, a state could easily make it simpler for more of their own people to vote, giving them more absolute power to pick the presidency. And the bigger states would have an easier time of it, and cities would be overrepresented moreso than they are now.


104 posted on 02/09/2007 10:19:06 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TomGuy
Oh, they'll keep trying.

Witness this past off-year election.

After 6 years of free, daily regurgitation of DNC talking points (which more often than not mirror those of the CPUSA), the Dems almost uniformly ran a campaign of "change". They never enunciated or enumerated what that change would be, only that change was good and desirable. (Well, from their point of view, it is!)

If they had done so, or if they were somehow forced to, they'd simply get laughed off the ballot, even with all the good little sheep our esteemed educational establishment churns out every year.

On their own merit, they could never win a national election in this country. That is why they must use deception, illusion, smoke and mirrors and the politics of personal destruction in elections - to keep your eyes off of what they are really doing.

And so it is with this effort. It will be cloaked in some mantra that will appeal to pretty sizable segments of the electorate, but will have nothing to do with what they are really trying to accomplish.

Like the accusation of "racism". Admittedly, that one is getting a little time worn, but they'll develop others.

It would actually be entertaining to watch, if the consequences weren't so dire.

CA....
105 posted on 02/09/2007 10:19:37 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: atomicpossum

That's not true. The winner of the presidential election would be determined by voters in Chicago, Seattle and Philadelphia. All 110% of the voting-age population in those cities.


106 posted on 02/09/2007 10:21:08 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: metesky

Do you have a link to those articles? I tried to google them a while back but wasn't successful.


107 posted on 02/09/2007 11:32:10 AM PST by TwoSue
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To: TwoSue
No. And nothing in the FR archives that I could find either.
:O(
108 posted on 02/10/2007 5:16:40 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: kabar
Playing catch-up, here.

The "Every Vote Equal" equates to numerous things: 1. It establishes the MSM as the definitive ad campaign for a candidate. 2. Given CPReform, limits how much and the amounts of locations a politician can put up posters/run ads. Some cities have already adopted a "no campaign poster" bill for "public properties". So, in effect, it will be up to citizens to put up campaign posters on their properties.

If red states overwhelmingly put up Republican posters, and the media shows it; the blue states will vote overwhelmingly "blue" in sheer reaction.

The social consequences of this "every vote equal" can be leading to social disorder of great magnitude. Can you imagine what college campuses would be like? To offset this, US colleges should abolish "campaign posters" on public properties, too.

I smell a warzone mentality brewing.

And I haven't even gotten into the "ownership versus welfare" issues.

109 posted on 02/10/2007 6:42:06 AM PST by Alia
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To: Alia

The "Every Vote Equal" has a seductive appeal, i.e., it appears more democratic. The problem is that it ignores our history and the formation of the country. It also erodes federalism and local control. This clever strategy of circumventing the Constitition must be defeated.


110 posted on 02/10/2007 7:06:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
I concur it must be defeated.

I think of a farmer I know in Tulare County, CA. He has a lot of property upon which he grows food to feed the people who live in dense populations in CA. They could vote to give them a President who decrees "all food is free". And I know my farmer friend would set fire to his own fields.

Crudely constructed analogy; but we indeed did have this conversation in 2002.

The leftist leaders don't give two rats about starving people. They know they will be fed, and their supporters will die for the "cause".

111 posted on 02/10/2007 7:12:08 AM PST by Alia
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Until 1937 the Presidential inauguration took place on March 4, when the 20th amendment changed the date to January 20. If the outcome ever depended on the national popular vote, they would need to repeal section 1 of the 20th amendment...and even March 4 might not give enough time after the election for all the counting and recounting.

Back in the 1950s there was a thorough study in Congress of the pros and cons of the electoral college...they concluded that it was best to keep it as it is. The electoral college helps keep the two-party system alive in all the states (or almost all of them).

112 posted on 02/10/2007 5:12:35 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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