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Backlash Grows Over Mandatory STD Shots
Express-News Austin Bureau ^ | 02/06/07 | Janet Elliott

Posted on 02/06/2007 8:45:52 AM PST by Froufrou

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To: Puddleglum

The reference to chickenpox (hardly a dangerous disease, although there certainly can be complications) was a reference to the testing procedures and the Governor's Executive order that implemented an opt-out innoculation, just like here.


221 posted on 02/06/2007 1:04:56 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Froufrou

They should all get it. You have a moral issue with cancer prevention and that is truly sad.


222 posted on 02/06/2007 1:07:33 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Froufrou
You [MWT] have no trouble making ugly - and untrue - statements about others and yet you refuse to acknowledge the very real possibility that Merck is in this for the money only. They are a business, not a philanthropic organization.

Sure, Merck -- as a corporation -- is in it for the money only. But of the many individuals within that corporation, I suspect at least a few are in it to save lives. I only know a couple of people in the biological sciences, real rat-slicers, but both of them are personally interested in increasing the standard of living for Americans. You don't spend six years in school studying biomedical engineering and accruing massive debt to make money. You go to law school and sue Merck.

The FDA and the CDC are not in it for the money. They get paid whether or not they approve vaccines and recommend them for public health reasons. If you want to spin a tale of profit-seeking conspiracies between evil corporations and the government, you have to account for those two agencies.

223 posted on 02/06/2007 1:09:02 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: MeanWestTexan

"Yes. But 70% or more will not.

Cutting out 70% of the cancer and 705 of the hysterectomies is a good thing.

Would 1005 be better? Sure. But 70% is a great start."

While I respect your faith in Merck's data, I confess I'm somewhat more of a skeptic than you.

As for the 'evil sex' remarks, regardless of the target, I don't think they add anything to the discourse. Do you?


224 posted on 02/06/2007 1:09:43 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: MeanWestTexan; Puddleglum
Checking the box on the form the nurse gives you "no" is hardly an imposition worthy of such heated debate.

Again untrue.

One must REQUEST an affidavit from the State printed with your child's name.

You must have it NOTARIZED.

You must give it to the school (and hope they keep up with it.)

You must do this EVERY 2 years.

You can only object on moral or religious grounds, or get a medical exemption from your doctor.

The parent has no way to say "I do not feel this procedure is in the best medical interests of my child at this time" or simply "I do not consent"

Which is something you should have the ability to do in a representative Republic.

I can't believe the amount of people who would blindly send their child into a room, arm extended, waiting to be injected with a compound with such a relatively short track-record.

225 posted on 02/06/2007 1:11:23 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: kinoxi

You don't find it immoral to exclude males from the vaccine that could prevent genital warts?

One more time; this vaccine won't prevent cancer in everyone who gets the vaccine. I'm tired of telling you. Go to merck.com and read it for yourself.


226 posted on 02/06/2007 1:12:28 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

"As for the 'evil sex' remarks, regardless of the target, I don't think they add anything to the discourse. Do you?"

Yes, I do. Because many of the objections and "logic" presented here is clearly a sham to cover the real objection --- e.g., repeatedly claiming (even when corrected by multiple posters) that a pap smear TREATS cancer. Come on!


227 posted on 02/06/2007 1:14:19 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Froufrou
You have a 'moral' issue here and are apparently unable to see through to the lives saved and agony eliminated by this. I 'm talking about apples your talking about oranges. If this saves one life you are a proven idiot.
228 posted on 02/06/2007 1:16:09 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Froufrou

You try to divert the subject, once again. Males cannot get cervical cancer.


229 posted on 02/06/2007 1:17:57 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: MamaTexan

No, true.

I know this because my parents were completely against innoculations, and I was an opt-out kid until I got measles (from a illegal immigrant kid, no less) and my parents changed their tune.

The form (available from the nurse, and was notarized by the school secretary) had a check box that said "matter of concience" or "medical" and had check boxes for each innoculation you didn't want.

That was it.

It's not a big deal.

And yes, we had to do it several times, probably every couple of years.


230 posted on 02/06/2007 1:18:28 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Caesar Soze; MeanWestTexan

LOL! Let's not get started on the FDA and Celebrex, Vioxx, Phenphen, yada, yada, yada...

I think it's suspect that they licensed the product in 1995 without the value of the trails' result. If that's SOP for the drug industry, and you don't have a problem with that, fine.

For you. I have a problem with it. Something's not right.


231 posted on 02/06/2007 1:19:00 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

There is a huge difference in this type of vaccine and a drug for a chronic condition like Vioxx.

Basically, someone takes Vioxx for the rest of their lives --- ergo chronic problems develop.

This type of vaccine is a simple protein --- stimulates the immunse system and then is flushed out of your body by your kidneys.

If there was going to be a problem, it would crop up ASAP, probably minutes or hours after the injection.


232 posted on 02/06/2007 1:26:40 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Froufrou
Instead, he's going after more fed tax dollars for healthcare. This is what Medicaid already does! It seems very likely to me that he and his buddy at Merck are banking on sending this global. The Merck site is specific on this and licensed the product in 1995 - that would be before the trials were completed!

Yep. They realize using the fear of disease/illness is a fast track to get folks to hop too.

We are on a roller coaster ride to the New World Order, complete with universal healthcare, and brought to you by UN alphabet agencies (WHO) and our own governments.

BAH!

233 posted on 02/06/2007 1:28:30 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: MeanWestTexan; MamaTexan; kinoxi

I did not see a post where someone claimed a Pap treats cancer, but I'll take your word for it.

Make it available for those who want it. It shouldn't be forced on anyone because it's not an epidemic and isn't transmissable in the classroom, unless they've changed the curriculum to include Sexual Intimacy 101.

I googled cancer statistics and cervical cancer wasn't even there.


234 posted on 02/06/2007 1:31:41 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
I googled cancer statistics and cervical cancer wasn't even there.

Your justification for how many thousands of deaths?
235 posted on 02/06/2007 1:35:12 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: MeanWestTexan
I know this because my parents were completely against innoculations, and I was an opt-out kid until I got measles (from a illegal immigrant kid, no less) and my parents changed their tune. The form (available from the nurse, and was notarized by the school secretary) had a check box that said "matter of concience" or "medical" and had check boxes for each innoculation you didn't want.

Without being offensive, I doubt that was recently.

At least 3 threads are running on the subject, and links leading to the criteria for opting out have been posted as well.

Things change. It USED to be that easy, but it no longer is.

I wish it were

If you have any concrete evidence it IS as easy as you claim, please post it.

236 posted on 02/06/2007 1:35:24 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

"Vaccination with GARDASIL may not result in protection in all vaccine recipients. GARDASIL is not intended to be used for treatment of active genital warts; cervical cancer; CIN, VIN, or VaIN. GARDASIL has not been shown to protect against disease due to non-vaccine HPV types.

Vaccine-related adverse experiences that were observed in clinical trials at a frequency of at least 1.0 percent among recipients of GARDASIL and also greater than those observed among recipients of placebo, respectively, were pain (83.9 percent vs. 75.4 percent), swelling (25.4 percent vs. 15.8 percent), erythema (24.6 percent vs. 18.4 percent), fever (10.3 percent vs. 8.6 percent), nausea (4.2 percent vs. 4.1 percent), pruritis (3.1 percent vs. 2.8 percent) and dizziness (2.8 percent vs. 2.6 percent)."

From the Merck site advertising products. I also read of bronchospasm, asthma, PID and some other nasty side effects.


237 posted on 02/06/2007 1:36:12 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
I think it's suspect that they licensed the product in 1995 without the value of the trails' result. If that's SOP for the drug industry, and you don't have a problem with that, fine.

Absolutely I don't have a problem with them licensing technology when developing the vaccine. There are certain problems in the current intellectual property regime, especially as it relates to the biological sciences and information. But as long as those rules exist, pharmaceutical corporations like Merck and CSL should play by the rules. Do you disagree? Do you think CSL should have abandoned their intellectual property to Merck and given up a potential stream of royalties? Or that Merck should have broken their agreements with CSL?

238 posted on 02/06/2007 1:37:05 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: kinoxi

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Sites-Types

Last time.

Go see for yourself. I don't have to justify anything, most especially that ridiculous accusation.


239 posted on 02/06/2007 1:44:21 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Disagreeing with you was most agreeable when compared to the average argument on this site. I don't agree with you but I respect your opinion.


240 posted on 02/06/2007 1:48:06 PM PST by kinoxi
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