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Elderly Man Dies In Gunfire Exchange With Undercover Officers
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| January 28th, 2007
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Posted on 01/30/2007 1:12:56 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: FreedomCalls
Sad, but bad idea to point your gun at someone unless they are threatening you. Old west rules, you draw first, that is a threat that justifies return fire.
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posted on
01/30/2007 2:33:17 PM PST
by
JTHomes
To: FreedomCalls
To: Tinian
I think most marijuana is either grown inside the US or imported from Canada actually. I don't think Coca or Poppy grows very well in the Mexican climate. A wall needs to be built but to think it will stop drugs from entering the country is naive at best.
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posted on
01/30/2007 2:34:46 PM PST
by
kinoxi
To: rogue yam
>>"Another grandpa dead because of an undercover drug squad.">"Oh goody. Another "I'm a 'libertarian' and thus don't need facts" thread.
What part of that sentence is factually wrong?
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posted on
01/30/2007 2:36:19 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: FreedomCalls
If the police tell you to put down your gun, put it down!
To: VeniVidiVici
I have no idea why they just didn't leave if he gave them the opportunity.Live theatre. The show must go on.
To: FreedomCalls
What part of that sentence is factually wrong? You do not know why this man died, thus the entire sentence is prejudice masquerading as judgement. You're a "libertarian" aren't you?
To: lafroste
However, from the info in the article, they are culpable and should be held accountable. There is not enough information. We don't know who fired first. We don't know what the resident said to the cops. I do not have specific knowledge of Florida laws but would you think the cops culpable if the resident fired first? Does a Florida homeowner have a legal right to shoot anyone in his yard who fails to leave when ordered to?
To: FreedomCalls
"My uncle asked the officer, which he didn't know at the time he was a police officer, to leave his property and he didn't," Evans said.
Any grammar mavens out there care to try to diagram this gem? Me, I'm noodling out what figure of speech "which" is here.
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:00:31 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
To: Continental Soldier
If the police tell you to put down your gun, put it down!Not when you are on your own property, and they aren't identifying themselves properly. Florida has the "castle doctrine."
To: gvrlady; misterrob
AND IF IT WAS YOUR GRANDPA? Would you be saying that to yourself? NO NO I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!
Settle down, unbunch your panties, and lay off the exclamation points.
I don't know if Misterrob would "be saying that" to himself, but I'm willing to bet he, like most FReepers, doesn't welcome other people assuming he'd say stupid crap.
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:03:08 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
To: JTHomes
Sad, but bad idea to point your gun at someone unless they are threatening you. People dealing drugs in your yard is a threat to you.
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:04:05 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: rogue yam
Does a Florida homeowner have a legal right to shoot anyone in his yard who fails to leave when ordered to?Florida follows the "reasonable man" standard, so the answer is "yes" in the correct circumstances.
To: AmericanHunter
Not good enough. If you have nothing to hide why not just surrender?
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:07:04 PM PST
by
Unknowing
(Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
To: rogue yam
You do not know why this man died, thus the entire sentence is prejudice masquerading as judgement. He didn't die of natural causes did he? He died from bullets shot from the undercover drug squad. The police admit that much. You can't put your head in the sand and deny facts in the hope that they will go away.
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:07:36 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Xenalyte
Settle down, unbunch your panties, and lay off the exclamation points.Sage advice < /snicker >
To: FreedomCalls
You can't put your head in the sand and deny facts in the hope that they will go away.We're talking about the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office here...you'd be amazed at what they get away with by putting their heads in the sand and denying facts.
To: Continental Soldier
If the police tell you to put down your gun, put it down! Sure.. if someone in plain clothes asserts that they are police you better do exactly what they say.
You would be an easy mark.
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:17:34 PM PST
by
Smogger
(It's the WOT Stupid)
To: papertyger
Florida follows the "reasonable man" standard, so the answer is "yes" in the correct circumstances. I asked whether the homeowner had the right to shoot anyone and your reply is that he would only have the right "in the correct circumstances". The article does not provide information sufficient to show whether the circumstances at hand would establish the homeowner's right to shoot in this case. Therefore you were wrong when you stated previously that the officers are shown by the known facts to be culpable.
To: misterrob
It is against the law to sell drugs, purchase drugs or possess drugs. It is also against the law to trespass. If they were on his property they need to face manslaughter charges. One thing is for sure they should be finished as cops.
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posted on
01/30/2007 3:31:55 PM PST
by
org.whodat
(Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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