Posted on 01/29/2007 11:47:35 AM PST by DredTennis
LOL
I think the reps should emphasize loud and long that the democrats pushing for illegal and legal immigration and the H visas, are endangering jobs for citizens.
That is exactly what the 'Rats did in my state in '06 and they swept the 'Pubs out of office by landslide margins. They're going to continue to hammer at it because they know they have a winning issue with middle class voters. They won't fix the problem, of course, but they'll make people think they are "doing something" about it. We elected a 'Rat governor for the first time in 16 years who said "I'm going to do something about it!', but never said what he was going to do. Didn't matter. It was still enough to get him elected in a historic landslide against a "True Conservative".
Maybe that's because Ohio doesn't offer enough incentives, or has too high taxes to encourage business to want to set up shop there.
Oh please. Unemployment is a low 4.5%, full employment, 7.2 million jobs created since the Bush tax cuts, incomes are up and job creation is occuring in the more lucrative sectors. Incomes were up a full 7% AFTER INFLATION in the first half of 2006 and showed continued growth in the last half.
You can't go to a shopping mall that's not packed with people of even the most modest of incomes loading up on clothing and electronics and I'll be damned if you can't go to even the worst restaurants on a Saturday night and not have an hour long wait. Give me a break from this b.s. of the agendized news media again giving big "mega dittos" to anything that comes out of the mouth of even the most dishonest of Democrats of which James Webb is one of the worst. His entire message was b.s. from start to finish, especially claiming the military is against the mission in Iraq, (no doubt based on the word of his equally partisan Democrat son) and his lame attempt to talk down "the best economy I've seen" as Jack Welch called it was just as dishonest.
And leave it to US Snooze which probably has never found a single syllable of virtue to report out of the mouth of any conservative talk show host suddenly finding an amen chorus to chant because of Laura Ingram giving in to one of her moment's of populist brain farting by agreeing with a slimewad like Webb rather than rebutting him. Webb was just part of the continuing Democratic/media effort to talk down the economy and to convince us all how royally screwed we are, as if a CEO's compensation in any way impacts me (and is they weren't out there during the "green lights and blue skies forever 1990s" when the media could find nothing wrong to report about the economy.).
that means IF YOU WORK HARD,SAVE YOUR MONEY, BE A GOOD CITIZEN, AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY THAT YOUR EFFORTS WILL BE REWARDED DOWN THE LINE WITH A LITTLE BIT IN THE BANK AND RECIEVING EVERYTHING THAT THE GOVT AND BUSINESS HAS PROMISED YOU OVER THE YEARS......
so if thinking you deserve something when you give so much then I guess YES...there are alot of me's out there......
the other issue is:...we don't expect criminals to get away with crime, we don't expect people that have never worked in this country to get SS benefits, we don't expect that CEO's after bankrupting companies and throwing thousands out of work and stealing from the pension programs PROMISED to the workers to be recieving huge bonuses....
what we expect is that the rules apply to everybody....not just Joe the Plumber or Nancy the Nanny.....
"Now that is very shallow when things like Islamofascism are looming but it is what it is. "
No, it's logical and reasonable. First, survival. If you can't put food on the table, who cares which government is doing what?
Once you have a secure job, then you begin to worry about how to keep it secure. That is, fend off the islamonazis, among other things.
"Hyping stock portfolios and megabucks CEO pay isn't going to cut it."
You are correct. How does one educate, house, insure and plan for retirement on 60K a year? Answer, you don't!
These are VERY REAL concerns by the so called middle class. Un-addressed they could have far reaching political ramifications.
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A Fellow Buckeye.
All I want is for government to adequately enforce existing laws
Your supposed meat cutters are mythology.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/dobbs.immigrantprotests/
"The meat packers are confirming what we know," says University of Maryland economics professor Peter Morici, "and that is that this large group of illegal aliens in the United States is lowering the wage rate of semiskilled workers, people who are high school dropouts or high school graduates with minimal training."
In fact, a meat-packing job paid $19 an hour in 1980, but today that same job pays closer to $9 an hour, according to the Labor Department
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Sorry, I was off by two dollars as to what the wages have dropped to - bad recollection of the exact details.
However, I HAVE substantiated my claim, which means your posts are just more of your patetented fact-free, over-the-top nonsense that we have come to expect from you.
You were correct. See post #30.
The key point is, illegal immigration HAS cause a serious decline in that sector.
"The American Meat Institute says hourly workers earn $12.03 an hour on average, or $25,000 a year, for jobs in rural areas with a low cost of living. In contrast, preschool teachers in Kansas, the largest beef state, earned $24,550 and paramedics made $21,590."
The $7 an hour would be off by almost half.
Ohio is far from destroyed. And what of Ohio's economy was "destroyed" was largely through trade unionism making Ohio labor uncompetitive on the world market. Ohio has been behind the curve on the economic recovery as versus the rest of the nation, but it's hardly because of conservatism. The loss of steel jobs has been one of the biggest factors, something that's been going on for decades.
"Proof to back this up? This is the whole problem. ABSOULTE lies get screamed as "Fact" and mindlessly repeated so often they become "fact". This claim is a complete manufacture MYTH. "
Try this:
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/
Oh, and what color is the sky in your world?
But I notice you launched into a rant that the claim was false without bothering to wait for me to substantiate it.
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Then substantiate it. Why "wait", when you could've backed it up the first time.
If only a few are doing well due to a strong stock market in 2006, then only a few benefitted from the stock market boom of Clinton's late 1990s. In other words, any (and I do mean any) complaints about a good economy in 2006 or 2007 go double for 1999 and 2000.
Remember, these are the same people who blamed Bush for the stock market decline of 2001.
Finally, as some have pointed out, any campaign built on class warfare based on globalization and outshoring, will have to also address the econmic effects of illegal imigration, or it will lose its credibility. You cannot claim to defend the $75,000/year software developer from the India, and the $45,000 manufacturing job from China, and not defend the $20,000 service job from illegal immigration.
Trust me, the Democrats are too stupid to not leave giant holes in any economic policy.
It would also open up a huge window for a candidate to point out the benefits of a consumption tax over the income tax, and how such a tax basis fundamentally changes the cost of domestic goods vs. the cost of imports.
I rarely get a chance to listen to Laura, but a few months ago I heard her program when she had Lou Dobbs on and she was praising his argument about the "war on the middle class." Since when is the government supposed to create or sustain a class? My husband's great-grandparents came over from Sicily with the clothes on their backs in the early 1900's merely for the opportunity, not because there were guarantees they would make a certain wage or receive government entitlements, just simply for the opportunity to experience the free market. Both his grandfathers grew up to have their own successful businesses. So now "conservatives" like Laura Ingraham are embracing marxist ideas for the sake of winning elections. Sounds like she needs to go back and take a course in the U.S. Const. 101. God help us is right. If once upon a time reasonable conservatives are falling for Dobbs' and Webb's bull, we are truly in trouble as a nation.
"Ingraham was impressed with Webb's rebuttal??"
I know plenty of people that were - and they are not the libs you think they are. Don't dismiss Webb - or his ability to communicate. I had to point out to my own father that in Webb's smooth voice he told the American people that a majority of the military is against our mission in Iraq. He slipped it in and no one is questioning him about it - because he sounded good and competent.
He has a Clintonesque quality about him - be very afraid!
Not a chance. He looked like he was wearing a bad rug and every word out of his mouth was idiotic.
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