Posted on 01/27/2007 1:36:11 PM PST by tpaine
Don't let t suck you into his idiotic argument, the employer does not prohibit anything in anyone's car, he prohibits access to his property based on what's in your car.
That's a different thing.
If the owner of a piece of property doesn't want you to bring a gun on his property, that's his right.
No one has the Right to be on someone else's property against their wishes.
Or fantasies of blowing up a gummint building in OK City.
The only real difference between this murderous kook who later killed himself and Mohammed Atta or Timothy McVeigh is that the latter two were more organized and efficient homicidal maniacs.
Who is John Gault?
Gunner
He obviously regretted his decision, hence he shot himself. Why couldn't he have just drove to a lawyer's office first?
--He obviously regretted his decision, hence he shot himself. Why couldn't he have just drove to a lawyer's office first?--
The police report said he was found dead after an intensive two-day manhunt in the forest. It was not mentioned how long he had been dead when they found him.
This guy works at a battery recycling plant, the very first thing I woud do is check his lead level in his body.
"Organic lead compounds are absorbed rapidly through the skin, through the lungs, and selectively absorbed by the central nervous system. Encephalopathy is characterized by signs of stupor, progressing to coma and often, terminating in death. Excitation, confusion, hallucinations, distorted perceptions and mania are less common." http://www.minerals.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm
I agree 100%.
Do you think this guy would have sued if this his house flooded because of inadequate drainage?
Don't know - - I REALLY wish there was more info about this story.
Just because the gunfight at the OK Corral is documented, doesn't mean these men didn't cause havoc leading up to the Boston Tea Party.
Hell, if we lose to the Islamists, in 50 years it will be a 'fact' the WTC was a controlled demolition.
Forgive me for upsetting you.
But isn't that the same as saying, the armed invaders aren't my enemy, the king is?
They are the ones carrying out the edict of the king and they are the ones violating the rights of the property owner.
And no, I don't think he should have shot them.
"...for the end of Government is the preservation of property, and there can be no property where there is an arbitrary power of taxation...[T]he law of nature, being founded in reason and justice, admits of property; for the better preservation of which, and for the use and enjoyment of it in peace and quiet, men entered into society. If therefore, any man, or body of men, claim a right to take away at pleasure from other men their property, and to dispose of it as they please[,] such claim tends to a dissolution of society, and is repugnant also to the law of nature, as it would place mankind in a worse condition than the state of nature, wherein they had liberty to defend their right against the injuries of others.” -- Anonymous letter explaining the reasons behind the Boston Tea Party, published by the London Gazetteer on April 7, 1774
PING
--Clever non-answer. -- You are not trespassing - you are an employee with a right to carry a gun in your vehicle, -- as you admit.--
trespass n. entering another person's property without permission of the owner or his/her agent and without lawful authority (like that given to a health inspector) and causing any damage, no matter how slight.
We're talking about streetlights that were installed, at taxpayer expense by the municipality, and whose operations are paid for by the homeowners via a seperate electric utility bill. Above, and beyond, municipal property taxes and municipal income taxes.
As we all know, the "government" pays for nothing. All taxes, be they property, sales, corporate, excise, etc., ad nauseum, are paid by the individual citizen taxpayer.
Corporations do not pay taxes; taxes are added as a cost of doing business, by corporate entities, and are paid by the individual.
"The moment that idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the Laws of God and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." -- John Adams
The story is very incomplete, but I believe that for somebody to snap the way this guy Watson did, something had to be terribly wrong. I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who was home trying to mind his own business over the government intruders.
It was a horrible tragedy all the way around, and IMO it was up to the government to bend over backwards to make sure the homeowner was dealt with fairly, whatever it took. Everybody knew the situation was volatile, because they were warned.
"I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who was home trying to mind his own business over the government intruders."
Clarification to the above. The were trying to work on the sewer line on their easement. They WERE NOT intruding.
His schtick was his castle and his last remaining symbol of individual freedom...where one can Freep naked if she wishes.
This event won't changed right-to-own laws on guns. But hopefully, it will give pause to the folks who write and enforce the laws.
More information about this situation might reveal what made this guy snap the way he did. That said, I will give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who was home trying to mind his own business over government intruders every time, until more information is known.
Regards,
LH
The truth of the matter is that we are becoming a nation of Marxists, where private property is abused at the request of and to benefit the masses, and industry is perceived as evil oppressors of the proletariat.
How many rights have we lost in the name of "the good of society"?
Back in the sixties a struggle ensued to eliminate racial discrimination; it became illegal to exclude people based on their race, then on their religion, then on their age, then on their sex.
All noble causes indeed.
Where are we right now as we grow in the continuation of that noble cause?
The Boy Scouts of America cannot exclude homosexuals from becoming Scout Troop leaders.
The road to tyranny is paved with noble causes.
"Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist." -- John Adams
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