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**LIVE Thread - State of the Union Address [starting at approx. comment 400]
http://www.cspan.org/ ^ | 1-23-07

Posted on 01/23/2007 4:45:40 PM PST by STARWISE

Edited on 01/23/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Txsleuth

If he did I'd vote in the democrat primary for him, in the hopes he would resign his senate seat for the race......


2,481 posted on 01/23/2007 8:34:41 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: STARWISE

Now that was a damn good speech!!! Thank you for posting the transcript, Starwise :)


2,482 posted on 01/23/2007 8:35:00 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: m3d1um

Not sure I feel quite as strongly about my vote as you do. BUT - I am EXTREMELY disappointed (though not surprised).

Of course, he made niced with the Dems (barf, but I guess necessary). He then proceeds to announce enviro-nazi environmental regualtions. 20% reduction in gasoline consumption? With a million new illegals coming in, with many of them driving, with our population as a whole increasing, with more and more cars on the road- exactly how do we REDUCE by 20% the use of gas? Or is he back-dooring the use of ethanol and other bio-fuels (which was hinted around about not long after)?

The clincher for me, though, was not what sounded like a shift towards socialized medicine (by another name - private insurance funded/subsidized/whatever by the government). By biggest hang-up was his immigration shell game. HE talks about strengthening the border, then promotes a guest worker program to continue to bring in even more immigrants that will supposedly "reduce pressure on the border"....

And then he promoted his Amnesty idea, of course still not calling it what it is. I wish someone would ask him in an interview what he calls a program that gives lawbreakers an opportunity to get off and not suffer any penalty. It's called amnesty - PERIOD.


2,483 posted on 01/23/2007 8:35:15 PM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: flaglady47
which makes it all the more important for him to bring them up again, doesn't it.

If the last Congress wouldn't act on conservative issues why would this one?

2,484 posted on 01/23/2007 8:35:51 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: nopardons
Are you old enough to have voted for Reagan? People like you, said the same thing about Reagan, when he was president and now they deny it. You'll deny your present posts about President Bush, someday. :-)

Yeah, I voted for Reagan. Twice. And my opinion about Bush ain't gonna change.

2,485 posted on 01/23/2007 8:35:53 PM PST by Penner
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I am not "huffy" about it, Mr. Gore.
Most of those that have employer-sponsered health plans are paying monthly premiums.
I do get upset with my fellow conservatives that do not see that this is leading to socialized medicine and socialism in general.
Sometimes I think that upper middle class conservatives get to feeling as guilty as wealthy Hollywood stars over their wealth. Targeted tax breaks are based on the individuals ability to achieve a certain level of financial accomplishment. Why do you look at this as shameful.
Why is the healthcare business perceived as something other than a business that has a right to make a profit? I am not advocating outrageous greed. Access to good healthcare can be accomplished without more taxes or more government involvement. I live in a community where it has been done.
All without socialism, but with compassionate fiscally sound use of resources.
2,486 posted on 01/23/2007 8:35:57 PM PST by bubbleb
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To: beaversmom
Although I don't like anything Obama stands for.... He comes across a lot better than Hillary.

Hillary was a disaster tonight in that interview with Charlie. She simply cannot keep her condescending streak in check. Many Iraqis are fighting and dying for their freedom, while she takes them to the woodshed. She will be a disaster for American foreign policy, if elected.

IMHO, the Dim's are attempting to drive a wedge between the Iraqis and their American supporters in an attempt to ensure a Bush administration failure prior to the 2008 election.
2,487 posted on 01/23/2007 8:36:28 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: princess leah

I didn't watch the speech, just Webb's response (because I live in Virginia and the local blogs will waste time discussing what he looked like). I READ the president's speech, so I didn't need to watch him deliver it, and I read the comments here to see what misconceptions might have to be dealt with, and where I need to do more research.

I'm listening to christian music on my comcast cable network, and typing away -- it's pretty soothing.


2,488 posted on 01/23/2007 8:36:41 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: flaglady47
There are very few people whose heathcare plans exceed the values that you mentioned. The plan will introduce the market principles to the healthcare system, will make it more competitive, and better. That is free market capitalism and that is why the democrats hate it.
2,489 posted on 01/23/2007 8:37:06 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: NittanyLion
Will employer subsidies be treated as taxable income?

I don't know... !!!

2,490 posted on 01/23/2007 8:37:08 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Under the president's plan, both people will now get the SAME TAX BREAK. That's not "income redistribution", that's actually TAX FAIRNESS.

Read my other comments posted. I'm tired of explaining what should be obvious.


2,491 posted on 01/23/2007 8:37:19 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: jveritas
I think Bush needs and deserves intelligent and constructive criticism when deserved. That is what it means to be a responsible citizen. JMO.

Come to think Bush needed a lot more of that where it counted on a considerable number of issues. Bush inter alia was very slow in reacting to events in Iraq, and poorly planned the post Saddam exit strategy, in many ways. JMO as well.

2,492 posted on 01/23/2007 8:37:40 PM PST by Torie
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To: jveritas
Many of your posts against the President are very negative and for me that is a rant. I am not here in a court to go and post "your posts" for evidence.

How hard is this? If "many of my posts...are very negative", then link to a few and let's address the specifics.

And don't think I haven't noticed that you're carefully backing off your original assertion. What started out as a rant, full stop, has turned into negative comments that for you are a rant. Don't let the facts stand in the way of feelings, right?

I am not here in a court to go and post "your posts" for evidence.

Funny how that works. You make libelous accusations and then refuse to provide the evidence. Shameful conduct, really.

2,493 posted on 01/23/2007 8:38:35 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: flaglady47
That and on ambulance chasing lawyers that are lousing up insurance costs for everyone. Why didn't he talk about that?

You are either dishonest or ignorant, because he DID mention protecting good doctors from lawsuits! But your anger just overrides facts, doesn't it?

2,494 posted on 01/23/2007 8:38:54 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: flaglady47
That and on ambulance chasing lawyers that are lousing up insurance costs for everyone. Why didn't he talk about that?

He mentioned something about frivolous lawsuits against the medical profession. The dems didn't like that idea.

2,495 posted on 01/23/2007 8:39:02 PM PST by Just Lori (Blessed are the peacemakers: ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES, COAST GUARD!!!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
****I'm listening to christian music on my comcast cable network, and typing away -- it's pretty soothing.****

Speaking of christian music I think I saw Sandi Patti in the crowd as Bush was walking out and shaking hands with people.

2,496 posted on 01/23/2007 8:39:30 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule (If a cow freezes to death does that mean we got ice cream?)
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To: A message

I'm doing great in my real job. Meanwhile, my wife was begged to go back to work because there is such a shortage of labor, and a local newspaper pays me to write a column for them -- so while I could live comfortably on a single salary, we have three incomes. We even had a fourth for a day or two, as my son got a part in a commercial (world's shortest career).

Anyway, there are two americas all right, the real one where people live, and the one the exists in the minds of the democrats where giving a few hundred thousand people a $2-an-hour raise is considered salvation for the poor, and ethics reforms means punishing people who want to petition government while doing nothing to stop politicians from spending OUR money to get re-elected.


2,497 posted on 01/23/2007 8:39:40 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Miss Didi

I was surprised to see that Charles gets his nails done. They look so white; either polish or French tips.

Haha, Hill's pink was very blah... looked like it had been laundered a hundred times. But possibly a solidarity code to her "sisters" in code pink? Hahahahahahaha.......


2,498 posted on 01/23/2007 8:40:51 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: nopardons

please. think it through.

the reason the US doesn't already have a national health care system like the rest of the western nations do - is because most americans have been able to get private health care as a benefit of employment. absent that system, we would have had universal medicare long ago, as opposed to having it just for the elderly who no longer work.

if we destroy the employer benefit based healthcare system, those workers will run screaming to government for a solution. this is what the Dems want, they want the current system to fail - so they can be there dangling the carrot of universal medicare.

the conservative approach to this problem - are medical 401Ks. you can't force workers out of their employer based plans via a tax, you can incentivize a new system - that young workers will be first to adopt, and gradually transition the system with CHOICES, not TAXES.

I am amazed at how many conservatives here have been willing to accept this crazy Bush plan, just because a republican proposed it. If Bill Clinton were proposing to tax employer provided benefits, we would all be going crazy right now.


2,499 posted on 01/23/2007 8:41:11 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Chena

"You've probably never taken a public speaking class, so perhaps you aren't aware of this. A critique on any speech can, and normally does, include all of these things."

As I've said before, I don't much value your opinion, which is so often off or verging on the ridiculous, which your above statement is. And by the way, the comments on people's looks, eyes, etc. were being done throughout the speech, not at the end of it. Re-read the thread.


2,500 posted on 01/23/2007 8:42:15 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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