Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Meatpacking raids: A victim's story
MSNBC ^ | 13 December 2006 | Bob Sullivan

Posted on 12/13/2006 2:48:25 PM PST by APRPEH

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-52 last
To: APRPEH

And the liberals argue that these wonderful illegals have been paying taxes but getting no benefits. Sure.


41 posted on 12/14/2006 5:58:31 AM PST by ladyjane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TomGuy

I got tired of paying payroll taxes on myself and in 1978 I quit taking a salary, put the vehicles, equipment, etc. in a dummy personal company and took all my compensation as rental income.

Since I quit paying into ss 28 years ago must be why I never got a statement until I was 65.


42 posted on 12/14/2006 6:37:45 AM PST by dalereed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: conservative in nyc

incredible protecting the criminals in an identity theft while we just have to roll over and pay taxes on money never earned by us.

Victimless crime? I understand the FBI, etc, will not touch these cases and leave it up to the individual to deal with the hideous debts they incurr while illegal aliens continue to earn money on their social security number.


43 posted on 12/14/2006 7:15:56 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: All
Some Immigrants Are Offering Social Security Numbers for Rent
New York Times 6/7/2005 | EDUARDO PORTER

Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number. Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him - providing a little cash along the way. "I've almost managed to contact somebody to lend my number to," Mr. Luviano said. "My brother in California has a friend who has crops and has people that need one."

Mr. Luviano's pending transaction is merely a blip in a shadowy yet vibrant underground market. Virtually undetected by American authorities, operating below the radar in immigrant communities from coast to coast, a secondary trade in identities has emerged straddling both sides of the Mexico-United States border. The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

"There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season." The deals also generate cash in other ways.

Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction. Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund.

Since legal American residents can lose their green cards if they stay outside the country too long, for those who have returned to Mexico it is useful to have somebody working under their identity north of the border. "There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season."

The deals also generate cash in other ways. Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction. Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund. "Sometimes the one who is working doesn't mind giving all the refund, he just wants to work," said Fernando Rosales, who runs a shop preparing income taxes in the immigrant-rich enclave of Huntington Park, Calif. "But others don't, and sometimes they fight over it. We see that all the time. It's the talk of the place during income tax time."

The income tax "refund" is almost certainly generated by Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) fraud, which as a "legal resident" the number renter would qualify to receive, especially if they have have or claim children. The EITC is a "refundable tax credit, which means the IRS will pay it out even if no taxes have been withheld or paid in. So the IRS gives filers who claim the EITC "refunds," even if they have had no taxes withheld. These number renters can claim up to $4,400 for the 2005 tax year in EITC "refunds," most of the number renters probably claim this maximum refund.

The Additional Child Tax Credit is another "refundable" credit which is no doubt routinely claimed by these renters.For 2005, if the number renter claimed $14,400 in wage income, and three children, between the EITC and the Additional Child Tax Credit the renter would, without having any taxes withheld from wages, receive a tax "refund" of $4,898, plus have $892 credited to Social Security; in addition to the potential of thousands of dollars in California unemployment compensation.

44 posted on 12/14/2006 7:57:52 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: All

Another widely-used SSN scheme: the illegals name their anchor baby the same name as the parent. They obtain a valid SSN for the anchor baby; the parent uses it, no one checks beyond name-matching, if that.

More---Lou Dobbs mentioned that the illegals are stealing small childrens' SSN because a child doesn't use a number very often so it is near impossible to detect a stolen number. Dobbs also mentioned that business owners give illegals SSN of a previous employee (it is not a felony to give away SSNs but it is a felony to use them).

Another twist. Now they don't have to use rented or fake SS# because they've just been granted the right to collect SS if they have worked a short time (44 monthes I think), whereas we the American citizen has to work for far longer before collecting.

Banks are kissing illegals butts with numerous giveaway ----everything from free money transfer to Mexico, lower interest loans, and so on. Illegals get loans? US citizens have to jump through hoops to get loans.


45 posted on 12/14/2006 8:04:46 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: APRPEH

46 posted on 12/14/2006 8:07:05 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr.Zoidberg

Actually, in this case, cheap hamburgers.


47 posted on 12/14/2006 8:20:24 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Liz
Banks are kissing illegals butts with numerous giveaway ----everything from free money transfer to Mexico, lower interest loans, and so on. Illegals get loans?

Generally, Mexican illegals are extremely good credit risks. Most of them have a strong sense of responsibility to pay their bills, especially their housing. My bank makes many loans to illegals and has a zero payment problem with them.

I've rented many apartments to illegals. At times they lost a job, had to pay a hospital bill, etc and did not have the rent on time. They asked if I would wait. I waited. I never lost a dime of them. (of course I never lost a dime of any working poor, legal or illegal. I lost big time on welfare poor of the same net income level as the working poor.)

I've had tenants who had to go back to Mexico. A week or two later their cousin in one case, brother-in-law in another case, showed up with the back rent. They are a great credit risk.

48 posted on 12/14/2006 8:36:24 AM PST by spintreebob (W)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: television is just wrong

The FBI and the Secret Service (actually tasked as the lead LEO for identity theft) will only consider cases where the fraud is upwards $30,000, so I was told by a special agent a few years ago. I am led to believe the dollar value for federal interest has gone up considerably since then.


49 posted on 12/14/2006 10:21:08 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Rb ver. 2.0; Minutemen

Did y'all even READ this story?


50 posted on 12/14/2006 10:26:36 AM PST by hispanarepublicana (Funny, but I don't remember pressing 1 for English in 1994.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: 3AngelaD
Meat? MEAT! Oh Dear Gaia!

The spirit remains the same. THE OBLs keep screaming and frothing at the mouth about the cost of produce going up if we forcibly eject the criminal aliens. As if our entire economy is going to collapse if the slaves are shipped out.

I couldn't care less. There are damned few in this country who can't afford to pay a quarter more for that head of lettuce or tomato or pound of ground beef.

Food is relatively cheap in this country. It will remain relatively cheap contrary to the lies spewed by illegal loving scum and their scare mongering.
51 posted on 12/14/2006 1:19:03 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

Another person pays the high cost of someone else's cheap labor.


52 posted on 12/14/2006 1:22:18 PM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-52 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson