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1 posted on 12/08/2006 8:17:57 AM PST by Graybeard58
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"Cost of Illegals to California $10.5 Billion":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1750476/posts


46 posted on 12/08/2006 9:14:29 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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This study left off the cost of their crime: lives, property stolen, etc.

In Texas alone, the cost of stolen pickups by illegal smugglers is most likely in the millions of dollars. Smugglers take them out of parking lots in big cities and then drive them for 20,000 to 30,000 miles over the course of a few weeks as they course back and forth the border. The trucks are stripped insides and ruined by the time they are caught by the Border Patrol.

Then add in the cost of their drunk driving damages. Then add in the cost of lost lives from murder or manslaughter. If we ignore the cost of crime then we could say that murderers and thieves add to the economy as well.

But in all cases, the effect of these illegals come up NEGATIVE. It's a question of how big this negative amount is. Are we going backward slowly, or quickly?

Strayhorn misses an important point: 'the rule of law.' If we don't protect our borders (and our citizenship) then we create anarchy within and without our borders because we become a lawless country. With citizenship comes rights as well as responsibilities. With citizenship comes our destiny because demography is destiny. The Mexican laborors that sneak across the border do not add to our economy, but Mexican doctors and engineers would. We need those type of people, not the bottom of Mexican (and Central America's) society. Our legal immigration was (before Kennedy) designed to encourage this. We need to return to a strong enforcement of immigration based on contribution to our economy (like New Zealand). And we need to do it very quickly, before the boomers start pulling down Social Security and before Asian countries start to buy up our country.

We will become a Mexico if Bush goes through with another amnesty.


50 posted on 12/08/2006 9:17:23 AM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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I don't know how anyone can do a valid study on the economical impacts when they can't even say for sure how many are actually here.


51 posted on 12/08/2006 9:17:50 AM PST by SouthTexas (Nature's answer to global warming---snow.)
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Maybe Texas should import some of California's illegals, or consult and teach CA how to make money off illegals for fun and profit!

"Immigrants Pay Off Big For Texas' Economy"

54 posted on 12/08/2006 9:20:24 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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Well, I'm seeing all this in a new light. Yep, I think I'll just go over to Juarez and grab me a few potential border runners, help 'em over the river,get 'em some jobs, set 'em up a place to live, maybe even let stay at my house, buy 'em dinner every night, That'll help the economy, right? Of course I still can't get any employment, because I'm an over educated, too high of a wage demanding, native-born, legitimate American citizen. Is it getting deep enough for ya yet? "GEEEEZE"!!!!!!!!
80 posted on 12/08/2006 10:02:09 AM PST by Msgt USMC
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So if I drive without a license, am I an "undocumented driver"?
81 posted on 12/08/2006 10:03:01 AM PST by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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Immigrants pay off big for Texas' economy

Ummm.
MMMMMMMMMmmmmm K.

Tainted spinach is good for you.
Second hand smoke kills 10,000,000 a year.
And Oh...
Let's not forget Global Warming.

84 posted on 12/08/2006 10:06:11 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. You can describe 'em as "Undocumented Immigrants" until Hell freezes over, but they're still "ILLEGAL"


86 posted on 12/08/2006 10:09:57 AM PST by Msgt USMC
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The problem with ILLEGALS is only hampered further by the media's insistence at using the term, IMMIGRANTS. They are NOT immigrants! They are flat-out, scummy, little lawbreakers and border-jumpers. How about using correct English here. Seems to me, the subject of English is a requirement for getting any kind of a degree in the U.S. whether it be grammar school, high school, or further...


97 posted on 12/08/2006 10:52:04 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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This is a crock of horse Shiitte!


100 posted on 12/08/2006 11:11:17 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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This issue is so frustrating.

It does not matter how empirically wrong the anti-illegal immigration crowd is, the emotion trumps.

The US has had waves of much higher immigration and it has never destroyed the country. Our current wave has only indicated economic boom not bust.

I do support English primacy laws and assimilation but I do not believe illegal immigration is adverse as an economic impact.

They do pay sales tax and many other taxes relating to property. To pretend otherwise is absurd.

This nation has prospered immensely from illegal immigration.


103 posted on 12/08/2006 11:51:10 AM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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State Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, who has introduced controversial legislation to end birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants, said he believes the costs are much higher than those in Strayhorn's report.

Citing a study done by the conservative Lone Star Foundation, Berman said the total cost to the state is $4.5 billion a year to provide services to immigrants, but he said they pay just $1 billion in tax collections.

"This is the net loss to the taxpayers of the state," he said.

The sparks are gonna fly over this..Lou Dobbs should have him on his show!

sw

104 posted on 12/08/2006 12:07:11 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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Precisely how does Miz Keeton Rylander Strayhorn Whatever document the costs of "undocumented" illegal aliens?

Hmmmm?


116 posted on 12/08/2006 6:56:23 PM PST by Redbob
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Someone have a link to the Lone Star Foundation study?


117 posted on 12/08/2006 7:12:03 PM PST by dr_who_2
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So...according to Straydog, she thinks it's perfectly ok for these ILLEGALS to be here as long as the state is not losing any money from them.

She's a godamn criminal!

123 posted on 12/09/2006 3:30:34 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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What a crock.


124 posted on 12/09/2006 3:36:49 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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