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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

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To: AnAmericanMother
Nice post.......
621 posted on 11/29/2006 4:27:04 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: JenB
You don't have to agree with me, but at least argue well!

Amen, sister!!

622 posted on 11/29/2006 4:30:05 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: meandog
There's nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Certain jobs are best left to the pros, such as, formal education.

OK Mr. Formal Education expert, first we have to define what constitutes good formal education before we can argue about the best means to achieving this end.

Perhaps we could agree that a good formal education should prepare children for life. But how should we prepare children for life? To answer this question, we need to understand the purpose of life. The purpose of life is to know, love and serve God in this life so that we can be happy forever with Him in the next. This is a simple objective truth.

So any formal education that doesn't center on helping children to know, love and serve God in this life is a poor education, and any education that completely ignores the purpose of life, such as godless government education, is a fraud.

And so it seems that leaving formal education "to the pros" is a mistake of the highest order.

623 posted on 11/29/2006 4:40:42 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: 2banana

Friends of ours home schooled their children...the oldest son just graduated college with honors....Went to college on a FULL scholarship earned with very high SAT score..

Yeah...amateurs.


624 posted on 11/29/2006 4:46:08 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: BlackElk
My wife and I are likely to live in poverty as we age because that is the price paid

You can come and live with us, and teach composition and rhetoric :-).

625 posted on 11/29/2006 4:50:20 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
The lesson in this is that I don't need to needlessly put my children through hell just because I went through hell and was "better" for it.

Bump that!

"Better" how, anyway? Maybe in a "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" sense, but you could say that about surviving cancer, too. Wouldn't it be better not to be sick in the first place?

I wouldn't send a child I hated to middle school, public or private ... and I don't have any children I hate!

626 posted on 11/29/2006 4:56:24 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: bannie

If the teachers and administrators don't take care of kids while at school they're not doing their job. How are parent supposed to "be involved" unless the parents are welcome at school all day every day ? No school I know would permit this.

IMO a parent's job is to deliver the kid well-rested, appropriately fed and with homework completed to the school. The school should take it from there for the rest of the day, then the parent should pick up again in the afternoon and reinforce what the school has done. How is a parent supposed to communicate with 6-7 teachers every day about these matters especially when the teachers have maybe 150 kids for which they are responsible for some part of the day ?

There is no way the parent can be "involved" at school except as a helper - parents are not permitted to dictate curriculum, teaching methodology or discipline techniques to the school unless there is an injury involved. If the parent has no say in those, the parent has no place except as a supporter of whatever the school chooses to do.

What I think you have seen here from many of us is that we don't approve of many things the schools do. For example, if I want my child to be taught to read using the phonetic method, that's too bad for us if my local school for which I'm forced to pay taxes uses the whole word method instead. I have no input that will immediately correct that situation and all I can do is vote with my feet. If a teacher permits student on student harassment in class, will the administrator back up the paent when the parent complains ? In my experience, unless the harassment rises to a very high level it's condoned by the schools.

My daughter had a classmate in 4th grade who pushed her down steps, pushed her hands against a hot register causing mild burns, and threw paint on her in art class. I went to the school time after time to remedy the situation and was told that the other girl came from a broken home where the father and the mother were in prison for drugs and who knows what else and the girl was in foster care. They were giving her counseling and hoped that would resolve the situation. After the burn incident I told the school if they didn't take immediate steps to physically keep the child away from my daughter I was calling the police right there from the principal's office and filing charges. How can a parent trust anything done in schools or any administrator associated with the school if the most basic criteria, personal safety, is not respected ?


627 posted on 11/29/2006 5:11:19 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Tax-chick
"Better" how, anyway? Maybe in a "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" sense...

My favorite paraphrase of that aphorism is as follows:

That which does not kill me...

...has made its last mistake.

A close family friend and I are studying up on how to found a classical Christian school along the lines of Doug Wilson's Logos School or the Veritas Academy. There are such schools scattered around the country, but none where we are in eastern NC. We'll let you know how it goes...!
628 posted on 11/29/2006 5:18:40 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon; BlackElk

BlackElk has experience starting a school; maybe he can give you some suggestions.

Good luck!


629 posted on 11/29/2006 5:24:45 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Tax-chick; BlackElk

Mr. Elk, what say ye? The school in question would not be expressly Catholic, but I can promise you that the students involved would read Augustine and Aquinas. =]


630 posted on 11/29/2006 5:30:32 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: BlackElk
Excellent historical recapitualation, au usual. Only a protestant could think Hesburgh a model or think Vatican Two mandated such actions as he engaged in.

G.K. Chesterton, long ago, dissembeled all the pretensions and exposed all the fallacies and errors of the public school system. You stand in the same line as he - although, you are far more combative and your Christian witness always rekindles the fires in my Irish-Algonquin Catholic soul.

I love you, brother.

631 posted on 11/29/2006 5:33:43 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
dissembeled all the pretensions

Dissembled? That means, "deliberately conveyed a false impression."

Disassembled?

Disembowelled? That would be vivid, even Elk-like, language ...

632 posted on 11/29/2006 5:50:21 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: achilles2000

Dear achilles2000,

I can affirm what you're saying about intellectual capacity of education majors. In college, I studied in pyschology, and I had a particular interest in clinical and other testing. A little research showed that education majors were bringing up the rear on SATs as well as GREs.

It was truly scary.


sitetest


633 posted on 11/29/2006 5:54:44 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Tax-chick
LOL Thanks for the correction, sister. I meant to use the word "deconstructed." Only the jinns in my mind know why dissembled was typed

Maybe I should have said "disembowled"

634 posted on 11/29/2006 5:56:06 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: sitetest

Anybody who has been in College knows Sociology Majors and Education Majors were only allowed at MENSA Meetings to bus tables


635 posted on 11/29/2006 5:57:22 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: sitetest

BTW, I majored in Soc and minored in ed...


636 posted on 11/29/2006 5:58:12 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

Dear bornacatholic,

"BTW, I majored in Soc and minored in ed..."

But you recovered.


;-)


sitetest


637 posted on 11/29/2006 6:02:53 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: bornacatholic

Ah! Now it makes sense.

Cheers :-).


638 posted on 11/29/2006 6:05:59 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: bornacatholic
I started out minoring in Mechanical Engineering and majoring in Linda.

As a result, I came away from college with a bachelor's in English and a Mrs. Oberon.

While I wasn't the academic success I had hoped I would be, I'm not sure I would do anything different if I had it to do over.

639 posted on 11/29/2006 6:08:31 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: meandog
A better sample would be to compare homeschooled kids against a subset of public school students who have parental involvement. And, when that comparison is made, the homeschooled kids place well-behind their competition.

Source? Back-up data, please.

Your assertion that homeschooled kids do not perform as well as publicly educated kids with "parental involvement" was challenged. Since it has been two days since I challenged that statement without a response, I and anyone else reading this thread can safely tuck your unfounded assertion into the appropriate file.

The "Flatulence Passed Around The Teachers Lounge Between Reading 'Heather Has Two Mommies' To 8 Year Olds" file.

640 posted on 11/29/2006 6:08:53 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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