NY: Crowd denounces police killing of groom

AP on Yahoo ^ | 11/26/06 | Deepti Hajela - ap

[Junior_G]

The guys being unarmed and the number of shots fired isn't in dispute.

There are plenty of situations like that where a police shooting would be justified—I'm eager to hear the cops' side of the story. Also, if a shooting is justified, why does it matter if one shot is fired or a hundred?

Of course, the Great Racist Al Sharpton is front and center, inciting mass hatred when he still doesn't have a clue what went down.

[Rte66]

It wasn't *during* the bachelor party, it was afterwards, when people were leaving. As they were coming out of the club, the groom got into an argument with someone.

One of his friends threatened the other person with a gun (not brandishing it, but *saying* he had one). An undercover officer who had been working that club on an investigation concerning drugs, guns and prostitution had already been walking along behind these people for reasons unknown - maybe just because everyone was leaving.

When the gun was mentioned, the undercover cop decided to tail a little more closely and all of a sudden, one of the "wedding" party people rammed him with his car. He was the first to open fire.

[org.whodat]

Atempted murder had already occured before the shooting started. The officers were justified IMHO from that second on.

Let's see I'm walking out of wall-mart, and some careless woman bumps into me and you say I can jump back and pump her full of lead. Ok, I guess I'll will need an extra clip and one in chamber.

[Rte66]

Where did you read that the undercover cop that was hit first by the car was a female? The articles I've read have all said "he."

[Junior_G]

I wonder why freepers line up behind the gun-men, especially when there was no apparent imminent threat.

Al Sharpton's support of the ventilated men strongly suggests that they had it coming to 'em. No final determination should be made until we know what really happened, but leaning towards support of those Sharpton opposes is generally a good starting point.

[Tamzee]

Thank you for your intelligent, experienced and sincere posts on this thread... you've added a great deal to this discussion.

BTW, I live in a small community with a "Public Safety" Department that was created to issue traffic citations, patrol properties, etc... There was a movement about a year ago by local liberals to have the officers stop carrying guns because we are a "family community" and their carrying was "dangerous" to the children around. I came out strongly and publicly that it would put the officers in enormous danger to require them to confront trespassers and pull over strangers driving through our roads without their having any means to defend themselves upon encountering a hardened criminal. It's generally a fairly decent area, but we had a murder here a few years ago, several robberies per year, drug arrests, and one of our residents wound up as a defendent in a mob trial in New Jersey.

Enough of us were against pulling the officers' guns that the issue was dropped, thank goodness... just having the debate felt like insanity.

[Rte66]

If she has a friend with her who has already told you she'd shoot you because she has a gun, would that make a difference?

[org.whodat]

usually because they want to help people

ROFLOL

[Junior_G]

Let's see I'm walking out of wall-mart, and some careless woman bumps into me and you say I can jump back and pump her full of lead.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're saying. Dork.

[org.whodat]

If she has a friend with her who has already told you she'd shoot you because she has a gun, would that make a difference?

What are you asking me for. Ask the poster who said it was ok???

[org.whodat]

What? The car had already run into a police officer and rammed a police van *before* shots were fired.

I think the van was unmarked and it pulled in front of the car to block it leaving the lot. Are that is what the picture's on TV showed. And no one knows if the driver had been shot before it it the van.

[Rte66]

Just using what the story on *this* thread said:

" ... The car, driven by Bell, was struck by 21 of the police bullets after the vehicle rammed an undercover officer and hit an unmarked NYPD minivan. ..."

[Centurion2000]

An undercover officer walked closely behind Bell and his friends as they headed for their car. As he walked toward the front of the vehicle, the car drove forward — striking the officer and a nearby undercover police vehicle, Kelly said.

A moving car has a LOT more kinetic energy than a bullet. I'd have emptied a magazine into the car as well.

[sgtbono2002]

We have about 3 black clubs here in my county. They are all known for drugs and weapons. I guess that goes with the territory.

One night last year a party was going on and a fight broke out. The fight ended up in the highway whre the young white girl was driving along minding her own business. She crested a hill and here in the middle of the road were about 25 blacks and another 50 spectators fighting. She hit three of them before she could stop.

The others attacked her car and tore it to shreds as thank God she drove away. She went half mile down the road and called the police. Of course now she is being sued by the families of the people she hit. Some in this crowd were as young as 17.Black people sure have a lot of fun on Sunday nights.

[BlackbirdSST]

Hogwash. They are being PC'ed to death and, if anything, are currently being forced into the "pansy" direction with endless diversity training, constantly afraid to even look cross-eyed at a bad guy for fear they'll be sued for fictional accusations. I wouldn't be a cop for anything nowadays... must be a hell of a tough job with both hands tied behind your back by the PC nazis and their league of leftie lawyers.

Seriously? That's your take on Cop's in America? Just WOW! Blackbird.

[AmishDude]

In one of the many earlier threads, a cop that was in danger of being hit was female. It was apparently not the one who was actually hit.

[Mad Dawg]

Thanks for the nice words, and thanks 1,000 for helping to give your LEO's some deterrent force.

The idea that if we disarm first, the bad guys will follow not only affects Democrat international policy but also some police. In one of my books, and no I don't know which, there's a tragic story of a cop who laid his weapon on the ground in an effort to persuade a bogey that the cop meant him no harm. The bogey killed him.

While I was proud to wear a badge, it never escaped me that a badge makes a nice target.

This link to the New York Times MAY provide useful info. The NYT has pretty much forsaken its claim to reliability, but still even a sea of lies sometimes throws some truth on the shore.

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[Mad Dawg]

If you come across a shred of fact that contradicts it please ping me.

Consider yourself pinged. Mind you, it IS the NYT so reasonable people could doubt that it's reliable evidence ....

[Mad Dawg]

Let's see I'm walking out of wall-mart, and some careless woman bumps into me and you say I can jump back and pump her full of lead.

If you are lucky enough to be able to "pump her full of lead (who writes your cliches anyway? -- great line from a comic recording of a zillion years ago, in which the idea was to recast Julius Caesar as a detective show, "Hold still, Brutus, or I'll fill you full of bronze!") it might be an option to consider. It depends on how hard she bumped you, and whether or not you have reason to believe it was intentional or, as you say, careless. If you take the trouble to read this NYT article you may find that it might not have been just a careless little tap.

Ok, I guess I'll will need an extra clip and one in chamber.

Unless you've been practicing Israeli draws (draw and rack in one motion) I would sho' 'nuff keep one in the pipe. One of life's worst sounds is "click" when you hoped to hear "bang". While on duty I had 46 rounds, and off duty I generally have more than 20. If you get in a real gunfight and the adrenaline has tunnled your vision, compromised your hearing, and interfered with your thought process you'll be glad for the ammo. If you don't think you might get into a gunfight, why are you carrying -- Pitbulls in the neighborhood?

[Mad Dawg]

Seriously? That's your take on Cop's in America? Just WOW! Blackbird.

A friend, an very smart, pious, and good guy, was fired upon when he was investigating a "suspicious circumstance" which turned out to be an armed felon burgling a place. His K-9 partner took a spinal cord injury (and was later put down). My friend fired back, and the perp also took a spinal cord injury. Subsequently the perp was found guilty of several charges and bought a 20+ year sentence.

His family is suing my friend for firing back successfully.

I was allegedly assaulted with a club, while out of uniform, though I had told the alleged assailant that I was a cop. I couldn't show him my ID because I was dealing with a wreck. I drew my carry gun and he suddenly remembered an appointment somewhere else.

This guy had a pages long rap sheet. I mean pages! AND pages! I have no rap sheet. We had a trial. It was his word against mine. He was acquitted. His lawyer is a buddy, and later we agreed that he should buy a lottery ticket that day since his luck evidently was running and also that the prosecution was so sure it was a slam dunk that they didn't try.

About the only good thing about the whole deal was that, as my guy left the courtroom, he was picked up on another charge.

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