Posted on 11/20/2006 11:19:51 AM PST by Sopater
Yeah... I was a Methodist for 35 years until the Jr. pastor at my church started lobbying for openly homosexual pastors. I am now at a nondenominational church that believes the Bible. It took a lot to leave that Methodist church where I had many friends, was in youth leadership, etc., but I couldn't support them (with my time or money) going directly against God's word.
What country are you living in?!? So in the past few years we have had twenty-something states pass constitutional amendments AGAINST gay marriage by OVERWHELMING margins. That doesn't say the homosexual behavior is normal.
Homosexuality is no different than any other sin - alcoholism, addicted to porn, bestiality, etc. It has NEVER been proved to be genetic. It kills the person 20 years early. One might as well advocate for smoking - it only takes a few years off of one's life.
The liberal media has doe a great job of promoting homosexuality as "normal." That doesn't make it normal. Bestiality is now being promoted - who are we to judge?
You should be aware that the statistics about smoking and homosexuality are rather similar. Research done prior to the advent of protease inhibitors (the antivirals that have extended the lives of people with HIV), showed that homosexual men live between 8 and 20 years less than normal on average. (The uncertainty was mainly due to an uncertainty as to what percent of the male population is homosexual.) But cigarettes reduce the lives of smokers by an average of fourteen years (see http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/research_data/economics/mm5425_highlights.htm.)
You are correct that homosexuality has not been proven to be genetic. However, there is evidence that genetics plays a role. (Up to 50%, according to research involving identical twins.) But the truth is that no one knows the cause of homosexuality. Most likely environment and genetics both play a role. None of the usual theories seem to work very well at predicting sexuality. For example, some say that a distant father, or sexual abuse at the hands of a male, etc, cause homosexuality -- but the rub with such theories is that there are plenty of heterosexual men with similar unfortunate experiences.
Great! So we should promote smoking along with homosexuality in public schools. The dangers are roughly the same (depending on which study you want to bring up). We should have "Be tolerant of smokers days." "My Daddy smokes like a chimney and drinks like a fish (and it's cool) day." Kids write letters to congress telling them that chain smokers should be allowed to adopt, etc.
You are correct that homosexuality has not been proven to be genetic. However, there is evidence that genetics plays a role.
And the same can be said for crime. Should we promote crime due to this? The same logic is being applied in order to promote homosexuality. He/she can't help it - they were born that way."
That sounds like a civil rights violation - of targeting a Christian prejudicially specifically on religious beliefs which are protected by the free exercise clause. Educational institutions are not supposed to discriminate based on religion.
So much for that "diversity" that is supposed to stand for part of
the word "university".
Was this a class on national socialism?
Glad she stood up and won. Praise the Lord! I have a great fear for the future of our nation if the populace is so easily intimidated into silence by those who would abuse their authority--using the smokescreen of education.
You jest, "My Daddy smokes like a chimney .. and it's cool." I should mention: My own father died of lung cancer late last year. He was a former heavy smoker. These dangers are not abstract or theoretical. There are 120,000 lung cancer deaths a year attributable to smoking; this is several times the annual death toll from AIDS. (I should also mention that I have lost a good friend to AIDS, about a dozen years ago.)
There is a difference between homosexuality and crime. Other than the obvious one that homosexuality is no longer a crime in this country, it is possible to be a homosexual and harm no other person. Indeed many homosexuals are highly productive members of society (professors, engineers, lawyers, etc.). This realization is one of the reasons why homosexuality was taken off the list of mental illnesses three decades ago.
No, but having AIDs, knowing that you have it, then passing to someone is murder.
Other than the obvious one that homosexuality is no longer a crime in this country, it is possible to be a homosexual and harm no other person.
Indeed many homosexuals are highly productive members of society (professors, engineers, lawyers, etc.).
Indeed, many criminals are very productive members of society as well. Just look at the impeached president Clinton. Here he was found guilty of obstruction of justice, had to forfeit his law license for five years, and had to pay a $90,000 fine. Some would say that he is productive in society. We shouldn't promote obstruction of justice because of it.
This realization is one of the reasons why homosexuality was taken off the list of mental illnesses three decades ago.
Yes, the exact same organization that took homosexuality off of the mental illness list also said (officially) that sex with children doesn't harm children. The psychology profession is full of left-wing liberals. Should we agree with everything that liberals tell us?
Nonsense! No medical organization has ever done such a thing.
Two things:
1. She didn't say what kind of Methodist. The Free Methodists are among those other "Methodist" denominations that are about as conservative as it is possible to be.
2. Despite what the press reports, even the United Methodists have not changed their historic moral position on homosexuality and same sex marriage. Instead, they have MADE IT MORE CONSERVATIVE. The same with abortion. The UM's position on abortion is actually little different than rape, incest, life of the mother. This, too, has definitely gone in a MORE CONSERVATIVE direction. Additionally, the denomination has voiced total opposition to partial birth abortion. In sum, the woman was more than correct in saying that this professor was forcing her to violate her Methodist religious beliefs.
No. Close though! LOL
It was a class called "Our Global Future - Values for Survival". The most simple way to describe the class would be a "interdisciplinary study"; i.e., whole bunch of eco-wacko, hyper-greenies spending 6 weeks telling you "we're doomed!". The next six weeks telling you how the "Western Worldview" makes it inevetible that we're doomed. The final six weeks telling us how wonderful it will be when we are living like pre-industrial age orientals or native - americans --at one with our envirnonment.
You can get an idea of what these freaks are all about here:
http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/classes/iscor310/syllabus.htm
Free Methodist position
A/331.2 Abortion. The intentional destruction of human life is murder when any degree of malice or selfishness accompanies the decision and act. Therefore, induced abortion is morally unjustifiable except when the act has been decided upon by responsible and competent persons, including Christian and professional counsel, for the purpose of saving the life of a pregnant woman.
Abortion, when it serves the ends of population or birth control, personal preference of convenience, and social or economic security, must be considered as selfish and malicious. Therefore, the intentional abortion of nascent life from conception on, except when extreme circumstances requires termination of a pregnancy to save the life of the pregnant woman, must be judged to be a violation of God's command, "You shall not commit murder."
We recommend that Free Methodists offer compassionate alternatives and long-term care to women considering abortion. We recommend similar long-term care for all persons impacted by previous abortions. We also urge continuing support for those involved in parenting and in the adoption and fostering of children. While firmly opposed to abortion, we recognize that those whose views contrary to ours should be treated with respect and dignity and that God's forgiveness is offered to all.
you may wish to recharacterize your comments
"statements of position issued by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, etc."
You are aware that these position statements didn't come about until these organizations were "infiltrated" by homosexuals. I know in the case of the Psychiatric association they bowed to pressure by homonsexuals to change the definition of homosexuality.
""hostile environment" against "people of faith" at MSU."
It was that way when it was still just Southwest Missouri State University.
It's interesting to note that the CNN version doesn't include the fact that the professor claim that the social worker's association mandated an acceptance of homosexuality when in fact a spokesman vehemently denied it and it appears nowhere in their statement of membership.
These apostates are headed for the Lake of Fire!
the free methodists or the MSU prof ?
Obviously, not the kind of Methodist who runs the show in that denomination.
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No joke. I am gald I don't have to deal with issues like this at my church.
Well, enough of this. Happy Thanksgiving!
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