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Voters Did Not Endorse Amnesty: Open-Borders Advocates Distort Election Results
Human Events ^ | November 20 2006 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 11/19/2006 4:43:19 PM PST by Reagan Man

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To: sageb1
wouldn't have anything to be afraid of if they were coming in legally.

And our current rules make that impossible for them.

101 posted on 11/19/2006 6:26:57 PM PST by narby
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To: Dane
Can we please have some common sense on this thread.

You seem to be providing the least common sense.....while hiding from questions you can't/won't answer.

Cherry pick your replies to the nice safe ones that you can handle, but don't touch the ones that require a little logic and thought.

102 posted on 11/19/2006 6:29:32 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: Dane
A fact can be a cheap shot.

Like if I called you, a POS. That would be a fact, and a cheap shot.

103 posted on 11/19/2006 6:29:44 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: narby
Your mistake is assuming that it's possible to shut off the border. It's not.

Where did I say such?

You can never completely seal a border.

But you can get it 90 percent airtight. As opposed to the feeble excuse of border security that is exercised now.

But with a republican congress all you got was a partial fence and more (corrupt) border agents. In what fantasy land do you think those draconian measures required to shut the border are ever going to happen?

Draconian?

How about practical? We are fighting a war against terrorism (or what should be properly labelled as a war against Islamist extremists), but we leave our borders open?

Your option is essentially "more of the same", and we see where that got us.

Another GOPologist chimes in.

It wasn't the fault of borrow-and-spend pubbies driving earmarks to record levels.

It wasn't the fault of corrupt pubbies hoovering in the K-street cash.

Nah, BLAME THE PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVES FOR HAVING THE NERVE to say the pubbie leadership was heading for a fall.

104 posted on 11/19/2006 6:30:07 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Dane
Can we please have some common sense on this thread.

Only if you leave it, Dane.

105 posted on 11/19/2006 6:31:14 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
America will have uncontrolled immigration.

Yes. Like any artificially created black market, uncontrolled immigration is thriving. It will stay a black market, will all the bad things that brings, until we enable people to be legal.

106 posted on 11/19/2006 6:31:16 PM PST by narby
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To: narby

No, actually they do not. My partner and I did INS work in Georgia.


107 posted on 11/19/2006 6:31:33 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Dane

Becuase the RNC lost 10 % of there base in key elections in KY, IND, Ohio, Penn, Western NY, and Conn . The Blue Collar Repub DID NOT VOTE at all ! Its too bad you missed him on the Laura Ingram show , he really very insightful . He said any time Bush talked about the amnesty bill , the RNC lost thousand of votes in Blue Collar voters demo ! No wonder Charle Crist ducked Bush the day before the election.


108 posted on 11/19/2006 6:31:48 PM PST by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: narby
Yes. Like any artificially created black market,

Artificially created? You seem to want open borders with no government control of who comes here.

109 posted on 11/19/2006 6:32:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Reagan Man
Of course it was a vote against border enforcement and for amnesty.

It was a g-d landslide, for Chrissakes!

How can you look at it any other way?

110 posted on 11/19/2006 6:32:08 PM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: cripplecreek

I have yet to see a list of the Republicans who lost. I would like to see that list so I could look up their platforms myself and determine why they lost. Do you have any info on this?

These percentages just don't get it for me.


111 posted on 11/19/2006 6:36:08 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: narby
until we enable people to be legal.

Cute, but that's a totally twisted liberal new-speak for people who broke the law and continue to break it.

Can we think of some nicey-nice ways to describe various other lawbreakers like thieves, murderers and rapists?

The phrase itself is a liberal talking point, for crying out loud.

112 posted on 11/19/2006 6:36:24 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: BurtSB
Becuase the RNC lost 10 % of there base in key elections in KY, IND, Ohio, Penn, Western NY, and Conn . The Blue Collar Repub DID NOT VOTE at all ! Its too bad you missed him on the Laura Ingram show , he really very insightful . He said any time Bush talked about the amnesty bill , the RNC lost thousand of votes in Blue Collar voters demo ! No wonder Charle Crist ducked Bush the day before the election

Well they cut their nose to spite their face. I guess they didn't see Bush sign the 700 mile fence bill, that the democrats will now scrap.

113 posted on 11/19/2006 6:36:25 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: dirtboy
Draconian? How about practical? We are fighting a war against terrorism (or what should be properly labelled as a war against Islamist extremists), but we leave our borders open?

Every border is "open" to those willing to do what it takes to cross it. See: Berlin Wall.

Our problem is that the black market in foreign workers sends herds of them crossing a huge border with no controls whatever, allowing any bad guys to simply mingle in. If we re-wrote our laws allowing foreign workers, and they all came through regular border checkpoints with good ID, then it would be simple to find any terrorists trying to sneak in, because they would be the only ones who *avoid* the border checkpoints.

114 posted on 11/19/2006 6:38:26 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
Every border is "open" to those willing to do what it takes to cross it. See: Berlin Wall.

My gawd, are you willing to take this debate to that absurd level? How many people a year made it over the Berlin Wall? A handful?

You're not serious, so you ain't worth any futher bandwidth.

115 posted on 11/19/2006 6:39:47 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Dane
Dane...I see you're still open to respond to replies that are easy enough for you to handle, while you avoid the tough ones.

I guess you want to stay in the "shallow end of the pool".

116 posted on 11/19/2006 6:40:25 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: sageb1
My partner and I did INS work in Georgia.

Ah. So you have (had?) a financial interest in keeping things messed up.

117 posted on 11/19/2006 6:40:28 PM PST by narby
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To: Dane
They did. Mr Luntz stated he had never seen such anger than the response from the Blue Collar Repub demo to the amnesty bill. They would become enraged.
I wonder why the WH let Bush makes these comments since they were warned by there own pollsters about its impact ?
118 posted on 11/19/2006 6:43:18 PM PST by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: Jim Noble
Come on now.

For Democrats and independents, the #1 issue in the election was the battle for Iraq. However, Bush ignoring his conservative base actually cost him the election. Bush`s liberal spending habits and expansion of the welfare bureaucracy lost the election for the GOP. Not the immigration issue. Across the nation, voters supported the immigration enforcement questions on local state ballots. Besides, when you get down to it, even though the GOP House was favoring passage of HR4437, they really didn't make the big push necessary for it to become law before the election.

Bush will have the self satisfaction of signing amnesty into law. When that happens, his legacy goes down the drain.

119 posted on 11/19/2006 6:43:32 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: narby
My partner and I did INS work in Georgia. Ah. So you have (had?) a financial interest in keeping things messed up.

That is an insult to everyone who has ever worked in law enforcement.

Believe me, it isn't for the money.

I can't believe you would do such an insult.

120 posted on 11/19/2006 6:44:23 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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