Posted on 11/16/2006 4:57:59 AM PST by radar101
Nope, I actually have a balanced approach to things. I don't believe everything I read, nor everything a LEO says. But Im slow to convict on the reporting of 2 UCLA writers. The police may be right or wrong, BUT with the little Ive seen Im not as adamant about the outcome as you are. Your response (and others) to the situation is very revealing.
Did you read the penal code? He was leaving as instructed by the CSO when the cop who committed battery arrived. He wasnt refusing to leave. He was walking out of the place.
Are you saying that someone is trespassing when they are prevented from leaving a place by a cop? Please show me where you see that in the penal code.
Where did you get your legal training?
They questioned him because he was in the UCLA library after 11pm and wouldnt show his student ID. The library closes at 11pm, but apparently they let people with valid UCLA ID remain afterwards.
These types of checks became standard after the large number of sexual assaults, laptop thefts, and other crime on campus by people who didnt belong there.
from UCLA.com
Non-Residential Buildings
Most University facilities are open to the public during the day and evening hours when classes are in session and events are occurring. During other times, University buildings are generally locked and only faculty, staff and authorized students are admitted. To ensure building access is possible for only authorized individuals, it is essential that students, staff and faculty work together to keep the doors closed after hours. Do not leave doors propped open or unlocked after hours. Do not open the door for unfamiliar individuals. Remember, if your campus keys/access cards are lost or stolen, report the loss immediately to the issuing party.
Bad manners are not a crime, but people often commit crimes due to their bad attitude that is engendered by their chronic bad manners. Sorry, but this kid refused lawful requests to comply with campus rules which then led to his criminal acts of trespass and resisting arrest.
No doubt he thinks he's a crusader, but he's just another dumbass kid with a limited understanding of real tyranny.
All I've said is based on what we know from the school newspaper and from NBC 4 TV, the cops are the ones who committed a crime.
If the situation is as reported in the only information we have available, what do you think?
Yep.
"lol, I'd like to see you stand up after you have been tased. Thats like convicting someone of failure to breath after they have drowned."
Drowning and being tazed is not a solid comparison. Being tazed generally results in momentary loss of muscle control and a fair amount of pain. Drowning usually results in death.
Standing after being tazed is not really that unrealistic especially when the cops were trying to pull him up.
You keep ignoring the FACT that he was leaving when prevented to do so by being assaulted by a cop. If you were leaving someplace and were prevented from leaving by a cop would you be trespassing?
I don't think you have your facts straight. The CSOs tried to ID him, and he refused, so the PD was called.
This is all a setup for a lawsuit.
He was not leaving "by all accounts". He was belligerent with the CSO before the UCPD were called, which is why they were called according to the university account. That he suddenly decided to leave when the uniforms showed up is no surprise, but was too little, too late. UCPD has a duty to investigate him at that point because he could have left the library and still been a danger to himself or other students.
Also, I don't believe he is muslim, I think he may be of Armenian Christian background based on a book review he wrote on a book about the Armenian Massacre. Not a typical muslim point of view. JMO.
He committed battery when he grabbed the student who was leaving as instructed by the CSO. Cops are not above the law. They cant just batter people at will any more than you or I can.
If you were leaving a building and I came up to you and grabbed you that would be battery. You seem to want to ignore the facts and operate some hypothetical situation that you make up as you go along.
Contrary to what the article says, the perp was not shot with a tazer, he was administered a shock from a tazer, similar to a stun gun. His skin was not penetrated with the probes. The police officers showed remarkable restraint in my opinion. They should be commended for their restraint in the face of a hostile and combative perp and a hostile crowd.
SUSSA has suggested that the police had no right to take the perp by the arm and escort him out the door. SUSSA apparently did not bother to read the statute on criminal battery before he/she/it decided that the police had committed a criminal battery on this idiot.
I frankly don't know how the police are supposed to carry out their duties with people like you and SUSSA cheering on the anarchists and shooting down the police at every opportunity.
Police work is a thankless job. The fact that this idiot wasn't shot is a testament to the professionalism of these fine young men who have sworn a duty to protect and serve. I'm sure you would have loved it if the perp had shot one of the police officers. You guys are here demanding that they lose their careers over this incident. Why don't you go a step further and demand that they lose their lives?
If it is a set up, the cops didn't just fall into it. They jumped head first.
You keep ignoring the fact that he refused to comply with the CSO before the UCPD arrived.
If I refused to leave at the library CSO request, then yes, I am tresspassing and would not be surprised if law enforcement then detained me to determine my status on campus. Could I be on drugs, suffering a schizophenic break (not uncommon on campuses since most suffer their first break between 15 and 25) or just an every day theif/pickpocket laptop lifter?
This kid's attitude drove events. What his motivation was is now open to investigation.
WRONG.
Cops are not above the law. They cant just batter people at will any more than you or I can.
They didn't break any law. You don't know the law.
If you were leaving a building and I came up to you and grabbed you that would be battery.
Again that is not true. You obviously have not read the statute on battery. I posted it for you before. Did you read it?
You seem to want to ignore the facts and operate some hypothetical situation that you make up as you go along.
You are an ignoramus.
California Penal Code section 242: "A battery is any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another."
Grabbing a person by the arm to escort them out the door is not a use of force or violence.
Now where did you get your law degree? Did you find it in a box of Craker Jacks?
Actually you are correct - there are videos of cops and reporters being tased all over the internet (plus plenty of reading material) - I just watched three videos - the effects are over within seconds.
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