Posted on 11/12/2006 2:42:23 AM PST by goldstategop
If we are too stupid to know what is at stake we cannot put that blame on the President.
Please post a plausible military-political-economic program to "win in Iraq".
Don't bother (for now) with the "acceptable to Congress and the electorate" part - just tell us what, in your opinion, our national will would have to summon up in terms of force to win.
I think the point is, the terrorists prefer to achieve their short term goals without inducing a revival of the spirit of 9/11. The wisest general is the one who wins without having to fight. Given the poor powers of persistence among the tv-addled US electorate, AlQaeda would be foolish to launch a terror attack right now. They are steaming full speed ahead without losing a soul over here while letting the giant fall back asleep.
It is not easy for me to say he did not do a good enough job. I don't no if anyone could have done a good ENOUGH job. The president must gain and maintain the support of the electorate. His effectiveness is tested in elections. We have a soft culture that seems to lack endurance. Can anyone do a good enough job educating and motivating the people?
We simply must continue to do our part.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You seem to think that there is some magical phrase or Hollywood moment the President could have uttered or arranged that would have turned the election. That only exists in movies.
One more thing... He did make clear his agenda. That is what got the democrats out in force to vote for dems to stop the Bush agenda. We, conservatives, republicans, whatever we call ourselves today, were too busy figuring the best to punish our wayward members. Well, there punished.
Unfortunately, Americans in general have become addicted to the one-eyed monster sitting in the corner of their living rooms. The "talking heads" of the MSM are still riding on the coat tails of Eric Severeid (sp?) and Walter Cronkite (sp?), the voices of authority, knowledge and respect of the past generation. When mild propaganda doesn't work, the MSM just increases the volume of the drumbeat . . and voila! . . "peace" comes . . but not an honorable peace . . the Bill Clintons are exalted . . but not an honorable exaltation . .
We still have soldiers killed in Afghanistan on a weekly basis, yet nobody ever talks about pulling out from there or having a time table.We should treat Iraq the same way.
Very well said. You have characterized the MSM perfectly. Thank you. Jan
From 1975 onward the media never heard of Vietnam, never did one story about the mass murders they had promoted. When PolPot's genocide came to light later on, the media never once connected it to the policies of abandonment and betrayal they had promulgated, nor did they ever once question the 'rat betrayers in the government.
If we pull out of Iraq precipitously, and the Iraqis degenerate into full blown civil chaos, the drive-by media will have driven on and you will never hear or see a story from Iraq after that. It will be as if the Iraq War never happened. The 'rats are fully confident, and with good reason, that they will not be blamed if the MSM can help it.
The only difference between now and 1975 will be the internet and other alternative news sources that did not exist back then.
I'm with you. I need no reminder. When I'm tired, I just remember that September morning, and I am revigorated.
It's funny that we get on the people for their short attention span, etc. etc. But it exists in this forum.
The Bush bashing here was just heartbreaking. We added to his burden and we abandoned our troops.
Now, you are saying that we are facing an immense political challenge and you are not optimistic about the results.
My disagreement was with your first argument and not your second.
It was heartbreaking. He deserved better of us.
No. The President repeatedly has told the people that this war will be for a generation. Only the rats and media undermine the nation by pushing for instant gratification. We fought the Cold War for forty years, losing 100,000 men in Korea and VN, but we can't fight this one for even four years at a tiny fraction of the cost?
The president has explained plainly his concept of victory in Iraq, a key battle in the greater war. If people don't know what that is, they just aren't listening or don't want to hear it.
'Hollywood has influenced too many, including conservatives. I like a plain speaker, especially when I know he means what he says and is a good man. I thank God we have Pres. Bush as our leader rather those slick talking heads I see on TV every day.'
When I hear the usual "he's too stupid to govern, listen to him SPEAK!" I prod the person to tell me where he has heard that last...just as the MSM tried to influence the voters into thinking Reagan was an old fool, Pres. Bush is 'ignorant' because he is a plain speaker. Fools are manipulated every day by the MSM, and I live to point this out to them. "Where did you hear that" is my favorite question......
I use the same question. They usually don't know, but the sad part is they don't care that they are ignorant. Sometimes, I do fear for the republic.
And things are just great in Mogadishu¿?
How about Les Aspin, was tarred, feathered and wears a scarlet letter. Right?
Would you believe I see this in the papers all the time???
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