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Dems Turnout Higher Than GOP For First Time Since 1990
American University ^ | Nov. 9, 2006 | American University

Posted on 11/11/2006 12:00:19 AM PST by FairOpinion

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To: Jim Robinson

The paper linked to this thread has some of the vote statistics you were looking for the other day. It includes 50 states. However they still don't show what the base did.

You were looking to see if the R base was effected in some way. Simple turnout numbers and percentage results won't show that. Those numbers will be clouded by all the various effects of the campaign, various events and the etherial thoughts in the heads of the "independent" voters that appear at various times to vote R. IOWs they don't show what the base R voter did. It shows the gross effect of what all voters did.

This paper shows an overall turnout increase and the rats got the votes from that increase. I can't see in this gross data any indicaiton that the real R base, voters that consistently show up and vote straight R by conviciton failed to show up and vote. I also can't call a person that votes for an R once, then votes D some other time a republican.


201 posted on 11/11/2006 10:54:13 PM PST by spunkets
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To: George W. Bush

Good points,, independents are growing in numbers,, the days of wedding to a party just because of tradition may well have passed for good. That doesn't mean that they are automatically dem votes, but they would like to hear more than the usual vote for me, I won't do this or that, like raise taxes or not, anyone can say that, of course.

it will be incumbent that conservatives get out front and thoroughly sell the right's agenda effectively, that means being more effective at communicationg regardless the handicap they currently suffer due to a biased lefist media..

it can be done,, but it will take a lot more than what has been done to date.

let's have some substance and real debates in the open, dems will fall like flies were that to happen, to say that here in California debates were any more than token efforts is obvious, we had one losuy GUb debate which was a joke in format and regarding substance which was pretty lacking, none of the other debates for lower offices got much air play at all on major outlets in prime time, coincidence?

you would think voters at least deserve to see and hear who is going to be lording over them and their tax dollars to really decide who is blowing smoke and who is legit..
and being as the public airwaves are controlled by a lot of lefties and the permits to do so are issued for the public good supposedly , it's obvious they don't want to let their guys out there for all to see ,, you had to search pretty hard to see a lot of the debates , they were at odd hours in odd places.


as for the bashers here of conservatives and they know who they are, most of them are nothing more than Progressives trying to push social democracy under the guise of being moderates or neocentrists in both parties.. they are as useful at teats on a boar and a nuisance here when it comes to supporting a conservative agenda , imo,, quite a few of their candidates got purged in the election so that is at least a silver lining.


202 posted on 11/11/2006 11:55:23 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Cornyn / Kyl in '08)
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To: AmeriBrit

Everything the MSM printed or said that was anti-Republican, you repeated. Not once did you post anything that would encourage the voters, and not once did you post anything good about the right wing, state or national.


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Oh BS!!! another whiner is the last thing we need here.. to me , it looks like the TWirPs are running thick and feeling some heat and looking for anyone to blame..

if people are adult and not just looking to be hand fed good thoughts and told to think happy thoughts, then this nation is as good as lost.. if you want to take me on , then do it,, it is an open forum ,, I'm more than game ..

btw, you can take take your pedestal comment and shove it you know where. twisting and distorting and saying I am a mouthpiece for anti-republican sentiment is laughable,, Im an independent, ultra conservative and don;t take crap form either side, you don't like it, tough.

To impugn I suppressed the vote is idiotic, then you should continue to take your own advice and ignore them, if you want socialism to continue to grow, then distort my efforts to your own ends and don't whine when you have to pay the price for more of the same down the road.


203 posted on 11/12/2006 12:22:13 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Cornyn / Kyl in '08)
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To: NormsRevenge
Just as I thought, that corn cob you have stuck is a permanent fixture.
204 posted on 11/12/2006 12:33:31 AM PST by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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To: AmeriBrit

it beats the one you're smoking dope out of..


205 posted on 11/12/2006 1:01:51 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Cornyn / Kyl in '08)
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To: AmeriBrit

btw, do you work for Tony Blair and the TWirPs?


206 posted on 11/12/2006 1:03:45 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Cornyn / Kyl in '08)
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To: FairOpinion
"But the Dems do?! Is your way of curing the flu to go out and get life threatening pneumonia?"



Where did I say anything about voting for the Dems? On other posts in this thread, I mentioned that I voted a straight "R" ticket. This thread started out with posts blaming the election results on conservatives who stayed home. I think that more attention and blame needs to be assigned to the lackluster GOP leadership. A retail outlet that blames lack of sales on its customers is not very likely to increase sales. The same applies to the GOP and its quest to attract votes.
207 posted on 11/12/2006 4:34:38 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: spunkets
This paper shows an overall turnout increase and the rats got the votes from that increase. I can't see in this gross data any indicaiton that the real R base, voters that consistently show up and vote straight R by conviciton failed to show up and vote. I also can't call a person that votes for an R once, then votes D some other time a republican.

Actually, the turnout was exactly the same (excluding California, Oregon and Washington) which was pretty pathetic since the eligible voters went from 198.9 mil to 205.6 mile in 4 years (which includes Cal, Or and Wa).

All that happened is that the votes for Republican and Democrats flip flopped from 2002 to 2006.

I'm not sure I believe their figures. I know I don't understand them.

208 posted on 11/12/2006 6:06:13 AM PST by evad
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To: rob777
This thread started out with posts blaming the election results on conservatives who stayed home.

Indeed it did...and I think that assumption has been disproven or has been rendered to the "yet to be proven" category.

Anyway, it's moot. What to do about 08 based on correct assumptions is the order of the day.

The Beast cometh in 08.

209 posted on 11/12/2006 6:18:07 AM PST by evad
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To: FairOpinion
Facts and figures prove that Republicans lost, because many didn't bother to turn out and vote.

The reason Republicans lost was W's plan to spend his way to Republican dominance using other people's money never was a good idea.

210 posted on 11/12/2006 6:24:35 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: FairOpinion
The Demoncrats turned out only 1.1 percent more of their voters. Hardly a tsunami.

Republicans stayed home in statistically significant droves.

How does anyone conclude from these statistics that to win in 2008 Republicans must move to the left? Does anyone really think the Republicans who stayed home did so because the Republican candidates weren't liberal enough?

211 posted on 11/12/2006 6:26:34 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: FairOpinion
But they CHOSE to sit it out, vote third party of even vote for Dems.

What evidence do you have to support that claim?

212 posted on 11/12/2006 6:34:42 AM PST by evad
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To: FairOpinion

I voted. But I live in Seattle....I was pretty much pissing against a hurricane.


213 posted on 11/12/2006 6:36:35 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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To: A CA Guy

"Those protest voting or who didn't vote had sh!t for brains."

One must tread carefully when one blames ones loss on voters who did not vote for you, rather than the party for no presenting a slate of policies and candidates which garners enough votes to maintain political power.

Such an attitude merely perpetuates the idea that we (the GOP are somehow correct, and the voters are contemptible....from there it is an easy path to dictatorial thinking and ultimately to dictatorship.

This thinking seems to dominate the GOP and even the debate here on FR.

We were wrong. The voters called us on it and we, as the results would have it, rightfully suffered the wrath of the electorate who do not want to buy what we, as a party, were selling.

Period.

The voters are not stupid. We are for not seeing what was in front of our face.

We can remain stupid, or we can educate ourselves and make ourselves into a party that can accomplish important strategic goals.

Having contempt for the electorate doesn't get us anywhere.


214 posted on 11/12/2006 6:47:34 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: lucysmom

Maybe i dont know but there will be crying thats for sure about nancy and harry(you reap what you sow)


215 posted on 11/12/2006 7:17:46 AM PST by italianquaker (Democrats its time to fish or cut bait, no more blaming Prez Bush.)
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To: JCEccles

I'm wondering how many fraudulent votes the RATS managed to manufacture this go-round. It probably made a difference in some of the really tight races.

It's a factor.


216 posted on 11/12/2006 7:25:11 AM PST by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: NormsRevenge
as for the bashers here of conservatives and they know who they are, most of them are nothing more than Progressives trying to push social democracy under the guise of being moderates or neocentrists in both parties.. they are as useful at teats on a boar and a nuisance here when it comes to supporting a conservative agenda , imo,, quite a few of their candidates got purged in the election so that is at least a silver lining.

Exactly. They and their candidates lost. We held. Therefore, we lead and control the party and we don't listen to their nonsense again.
217 posted on 11/12/2006 8:01:27 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: JCEccles
Does anyone really think the Republicans who stayed home did so because the Republican candidates weren't liberal enough?

Just visit the Rudy Rudy Rudy threads.
218 posted on 11/12/2006 8:02:42 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: FairOpinion
Show me some facts on how many Calif FReepers did not vote regardless of what they post on threads.

Remember, I want facts not innuendo...
219 posted on 11/12/2006 8:08:39 AM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: tubebender
Remember, I want facts not innuendo...

You won't get it because they don't exist...and certainly not from this study.

The best they have to offer (that I'm aware of) is exit poll info and as another FReeper has already pointed out, you might as well pull random numbers from a Bingo machine.

220 posted on 11/12/2006 8:59:49 AM PST by evad
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