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'Liberated' Limbaugh flays GOP for lame campaign
World Net Daily ^ | 11/8/2206 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 11/08/2006 11:54:25 AM PST by Ol' Sparky

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To: pctech
Looks like we got a troll in our midst.

NAG Howlin been on here a long time

He is just a GOP party hack type

Long as there is an R next to the candidate he could care less about policy
241 posted on 11/08/2006 2:33:59 PM PST by uncbob
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To: LS
They want us in there, but helpless (and they'll see to that with their obstruction, investigations, and de-funding) so they can blame Bush and the Republicans, using the bodies of our soldiers as targets.

This isn't a draftee army like Vietnam

Volunteers won't put up with that crap

Dems would have to re-institute the draft
242 posted on 11/08/2006 2:36:16 PM PST by uncbob
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To: LS
One way you neutralize the press is by playing offense, sort of like the way you beat a blitz is with a quick hitter or a deep route vs. one-on-one.

Yep... it's called Controlling the Agenda.

243 posted on 11/08/2006 2:36:52 PM PST by Strawberry AZ
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To: A CA Guy

Reagans are not developed at the grass roots or anywhere else. They are extremely rare people. The secret to RR's effectiveness was his understanding and training in economics. Political actors are dynamic personalities and Economics is a terribly dull subject. The man with what it takes to survive as a politician will almost never have any real acquaintance with the subject. Economics is much more than just studying and understanding how money flows, it is learning what motivates people. Politicians, being oriented toward government and not being economically literate themselves, take their advice from the "economists", Keynesians or Monetarists who tell them how the government can control the economy for this or that goal. A "conservative" politician listens to Keynesians or Monetarists who seem to offer him the tools to adjust the economy for conservative ends. The problem is that the whole concept of government control leading to prosperity is wrong. The conservative politician spends his term playing catchup by fiddling with interest rates of fiscal policy and at best, does not do too much harm. Reagan ended the economic death spiral of the Nixon-Carter economy by getting the government out of the business, not by trying to engineer results.


244 posted on 11/08/2006 2:40:01 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: uncbob

NAG should be NAH


245 posted on 11/08/2006 2:40:36 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Phantom Lord
If it was FBI files I think Hillary would have done him in when he was a House leader on impeachment.

She did. You don't recall the difference between Linseed in the impeachment and Linseed in the Senate trial, but I do. He changed overnight at one point. Hatch, too. Hmmm.

246 posted on 11/08/2006 2:46:59 PM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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To: mjolnir
Yeah, those guys, and Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc.

I don't think I could say what I said any clearer, but I will try. I'm sure you've heard the saying -- The road to hell is paved with good intentions. My father thinks that about Christian conservatives. While their intentions are good, politics is not the place to discuss those things. He thinks Chistian conservatives are damaging Christianity and losing their moral authority by whoring it out for partisan political purposes. There are millions of voters, Right, Left, and Center that think just like my Southern Baptist, deacon, Sunday School teacher father. Is that clear enough for you?

Perhaps he and they are wrong. The question you should ponder is, what if he and they are right?

247 posted on 11/08/2006 2:48:13 PM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.)
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To: Strawberry AZ
Controlling the Agenda

Clinton was a vile president, but a master propagandist. He had a message of the day, every single day, and a theme for the week. It was easier for him, since he had a willing accomplice in the press, but the bully pulpit is still there for those who can use it.

Bush 41 and 43 both act as though they want to see how much attack they can take from the press without responding and still survive. Bush 41 didn't. Bush 43 squeaked through, but only because of the war, and then, only because of what he did in the war in the 6 months after 9/11. The goodwill was bound to run out with some of the electorate, I was just hoping that there was enough left to get through this election.

248 posted on 11/08/2006 2:51:34 PM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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To: Unknown Pundit
Perhaps the GOP, escpecially its social conservatives, needs to do some soul-searching (pardon the pun), and re-think its social conservatism which drives voters like my dad and millions of others away from the GOP.

Good point. Here in Arizona, our attempt to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage failed, most probably because it over-reached and proposed outlawing any legally-recognized gay relationship. Many conservatives support civil unions, as long as it's not "marriage", because many believe a committed, monogamous relationship is better than none, especially for those involved in a lifestyle fairly devoid of "traditional" values.

249 posted on 11/08/2006 2:52:12 PM PST by Strawberry AZ
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To: Shadow Deamon
Libertarians could have made the difference if they had voted for Republicans. Republicans gave libertarians no reason to vote for them. Even the War was not enough. Bush was destined to lose it eventually because he does not fight it. He is too overcome by hearts-and-minds. The war is not about a better life for Iraqis or for anyone else. It is for survival of the West and requires the destruction of the enemy in order to kick down resurgent Islam into the malaise that characterized the last few centuries. Only that way will Islam cease for a time to be an existential threat to us. Bush cannot do the necessary job. I don't think any currently available Republican is up to it.

The Democrats will eventually get the job done. They will dismantle Defense and think they are ending the war by not participating. We will then take some horrific attacks on American cities that will show that the World Trade Center was just a little raid. The Democrats will sic the FBI on the perps and we will get hit again. After a few such attacks the Democrat president will panic and, in that panic and in exasperation that the enemy does not recognize the essential goodness of the Democrats who are dismantling the Evil American Empire, will launch the missiles. The destruction will be far greater than if we had proceeded to do the necessary job in Bush's term, in the ME and in Europe and in America and the Constitution will likely be a casualty but the job will get done.

250 posted on 11/08/2006 2:52:36 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Rush. Right again.


251 posted on 11/08/2006 2:52:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: Hildy

I'm saying that a significant portion of conservative voters chose to not vote for Santorum because they felt betrayed by his support of Specter. They said in 2004 that they would not support Santorum in 2006.

As for looking around, we live around a significant number of people with Spanish accents. If I were to take them to my home state, MS, or any of the other states where we have lived (except NM), I can guarantee that a good portion of the people they would meet would label them as "illegals" when they are anything but. They are family-loving, hard-working, Christian Americans. They go to church. They play baseball. They pay taxes. Etc. They would easily support conservative candidates if those candidates presented them something to vote FOR. The area where we are is represented by a democrat who seems to be fairly safe. I did not even know who his opponent was until yesterday morning when I looked it up. The Republican party must not have sent him any help. The district a few miles away from us had an extremely conservative candidate running. I don't think he got any support from the national GOP. With campaign finance reform, candidates depend on help from the national parties unless they have significant personal wealth from the outset. Otherwise, they must meet the whim and fancy of whomever is controlling the purse-strings for party money.

Six months ago, we lived in a fairly diverse neighborhood. By and large, all the neighbors are/were conservative. I don't know for certain, but I would wager that on our side of the street, there would have been 9 conservative votes for Webb.

I think Ronald Reagan would win in a landslide if he were alive and well today. (and running for office)


252 posted on 11/08/2006 2:53:33 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Shadow Deamon
Libertarians could have made the difference if they had voted for Republicans. Republicans gave libertarians no reason to vote for them. Even the War was not enough. Bush was destined to lose it eventually because he does not fight it. He is too overcome by hearts-and-minds. The war is not about a better life for Iraqis or for anyone else. It is for survival of the West and requires the destruction of the enemy in order to kick down resurgent Islam into the malaise that characterized the last few centuries. Only that way will Islam cease for a time to be an existential threat to us. Bush cannot do the necessary job. I don't think any currently available Republican is up to it.

The Democrats will eventually get the job done. They will dismantle Defense and think they are ending the war by not participating. We will then take some horrific attacks on American cities that will show that the World Trade Center was just a little raid. The Democrats will sic the FBI on the perps and we will get hit again. After a few such attacks the Democrat president will panic and, in that panic and in exasperation that the enemy does not recognize the essential goodness of the Democrats who are dismantling the Evil American Empire, will launch the missiles. The destruction will be far greater than if we had proceeded to do the necessary job in Bush's term, in the ME and in Europe and in America and the Constitution will likely be a casualty but the job will get done.

253 posted on 11/08/2006 2:53:48 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Conservatism properly applied ... will triumph nine times out of 10 ..

I agree - to a point.

However, the GOP must begin to combat the fact that public school teachers, college professors, along with MTV, etc. are increasingly attempting (with some success) to turn our young people against the GOP and its traditional values.

Add that to the fact that the third-world (illegal or legal, who knows) immigrant vote went overwhelmingly against the Republicans (and no I don't have a link. I simply have antedoctal evidence which I saw at the polls yesterday) and you have a 10-percent Democrat advantage just to start each blue or purple state election.

254 posted on 11/08/2006 2:53:59 PM PST by Edit35
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To: FastCoyote

Republicans since WWII have been just as zealous to cover up Democratic corruption as are Democrats. And Republicans have been just as zealous to reveal and punish Republican corruption as are Democrats. The effect on Joe Blow is to promote the appearance that Republicans are inherently corrupt and Democrats are pure.


255 posted on 11/08/2006 2:56:38 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: petitfour
I'm saying that a significant portion of conservative voters chose to not vote for Santorum because they felt betrayed by his support of Specter

I didn't realize Conservatives were such fair weather friends. One of their closest friends does one thing they don't like and OUT THE DOOR? Not only is that ridiculous, it borders on psychotic and that is why, my friend, Conservatives will never be back in power in our lifetime.

256 posted on 11/08/2006 2:56:54 PM PST by Hildy
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To: StatenIsland
Just listening to him say that was liberating for me.

I would have preferred anything to Dem leadership - but now that we've lost, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Aw, no reason to be upset... it wasn't such a big deal... it was only a flesh wound...

257 posted on 11/08/2006 2:57:59 PM PST by StoneGiant (Power without morality is disaster. Morality without power is useless.)
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To: Shermy
Actually the biggest issue was corruption.

I concur. 85-percent, anyway.

Cunningham, Rey?, Foley, Abramoff clients, and others.

Yes, the Dems had their William Jefferson's, but that's normal. And no excuse for the GOP to join the corupt-fest.

258 posted on 11/08/2006 2:58:16 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Strawberry AZ
Thanks and I agree with what you said about the happenings in AZ.

To me limited government does not only refer to the size of government but also its reach. Like my father, I think the social conservatives are reaching too far, damaging both the body politic and the body religious, but not intentionally. Perhaps I and my father are wrong, but what if we are right? Serious questions for sure. I'm series. ;-)

259 posted on 11/08/2006 3:02:32 PM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
..there's very positive things happening (for the GOP) out there, but it was not trumpeted by the people who should have been shouting it from the rooftops because they were proud of it," Limbaugh said.

I agree wholeheartedly, Rush.

But every lib-leaning media outlet (most are) went waaaaaaay out of their way NOT to let one smidgen of good news come out.

Contrast that to the five-year party ABC-CBS,PMS.DNC etc threw for the Democrat-lib-Clintonoids in the 1990s.

260 posted on 11/08/2006 3:02:43 PM PST by Edit35
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