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Schiavo issue haunts Crist
St. Petersburg Times ^
| November 1, 2006
| ADAM C. SMITH
Posted on 11/02/2006 5:23:50 AM PST by 8mmMauser
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To: 8mmMauser
Today's TAMPA TRIBUNE: Ken Connor blamed the conservatives for the GOP losing the election (Jeb's lawyer).
Blame the victims, eh?
461
posted on
11/15/2006 11:50:06 AM PST
by
floriduh voter
(www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
To: T'wit; amdgmary; Sun; bjs1779; BykrBayb; Theodore R.; Dante3; trustandobey; Saundra Duffy
See 260 in re: 8mmmauser's post about Jeb's plans to exploit Terri. (He has NO GROUNDS.) A save in 2003 doesn't constitute what occurred in 2005 which was nothing short of murder.
462
posted on
11/15/2006 12:00:18 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
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To: T'wit
Fla man tries to smother wife with plastic bag in pkg lot of Florida grocery store. (wife supposedly had alzheimers but was able to yell "Help me. Help me.")
Mikey's craft is attracting new widower wannabees.
463
posted on
11/15/2006 12:02:13 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
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To: T'wit
We need Albert Jay Nock today, but I don't think the American people could understand his intellect. Remember Churchill said that the flaw of democracy is exposed in a five-minute conversation with Mr. Average Voter.
464
posted on
11/15/2006 12:11:57 PM PST
by
Theodore R.
(Cowardice is forever!)
To: 8mmMauser
Ten Amendments at SCOTUS. (Ten Commandments being erased in tours of SCOTUS).
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52895
465
posted on
11/15/2006 12:29:19 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
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To: Theodore R.
>> I don't think the American people could understand his intellect.
He knew they wouldn't understand him and never worried his head about it. He wrote for himself and for anyone who cared to listen. I recall him reflecting that it was like speaking into the void; but every now and then you hear your own words and thoughts come echoing back to you, and know that you've been heard. It's a very pleasing feeling.
>> We need Albert Jay Nock today
Couldn't agree more. Happily, his works are pretty much available by one means or another, for anyone with ears to hear.
466
posted on
11/15/2006 2:42:52 PM PST
by
T'wit
("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
To: Theodore R.
467
posted on
11/15/2006 2:53:32 PM PST
by
T'wit
("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
To: floriduh voter
>> Fla man tries to smother wife with plastic bag in pkg lot of Florida grocery store.
I don't think this dude has much future in the crime biz.
468
posted on
11/15/2006 3:05:19 PM PST
by
T'wit
("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
To: Brilliant
"The bottom line is that Schiavo was an issue for the legislature, not the courts. But like so many other issues, the legislature is not doing its job, so the courts simply substitute their own judgment."
My bottom line is different.
The folks who wrote the respective constitutions couldn't envision a situation like we had with the Schiavo case. But an extension of the logic of the pardon would have been best. The executive branch pardon allows a governor or the President to prevent what they feel is a miscarriage of justice. Terry Schiavo rightly or wrongly was condemned to death by the legal system. Spur of the moment legislation to overthrow a legal ruling is a bad way to go.
I would have been comfortable if Gov Bush or President Bush had taken it upon themselves to personally evaluate Terry and have the last word, live or die. People would have squawked but so what?
That judge who threatened Jeb Bush with an injunction overstepped his authority and should have been removed from office, forcibly if need be, by the Florida National Guard.
To: UnChained
What I'm suggesting is that the legislature should have legislated before this happened. It's not as though no one ever thought this might happen. In fact, it's been years since Schiavo died, and the Florida legislature still has not clarified the law. I suspect that other states are in the same boat. It's just a matter of time before we have another case like that one, and the legislature will be pretending that they were caught by surprise, and never imagined that a judge might come to such a distorted view of the law.
To: Brilliant
What I'm suggesting is that the legislature should have legislated before this happened. But they did. Greer could not of pulled her feeding tube without the help of the 1999 Florida law that decreed that a feeding tube is life support - just like a respirator. Of course, the compassionate Greer took it just a tiny bit further and included any oral nourishment as well. That is why you have seen all types of people being arrested for trying to give her a drink of water.
471
posted on
11/15/2006 4:11:24 PM PST
by
bjs1779
To: T'wit
I think you might misunderstand Waggs comment. After Himmler was in attendance at Minsk, he did not want Germans shooting Jews anymore, especially women and children. In essence it was meant to be 'humane' for the German troops who were suffering mental problems because of it and he felt it first hand at Minsk himself after witnessing the murder of 100 Jews. With gas, the Germans didn't even have to take the bodies out of the gas chambers, slave labor did that for them. Sensitive guy that Himmler was.
472
posted on
11/15/2006 4:32:35 PM PST
by
bjs1779
To: T'wit
OJ's book IF I DID IT.
sounds like he had motive to me. Too bad about the double jeopardy thing.
473
posted on
11/15/2006 5:28:48 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
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To: 8mmMauser
If Joe Lieberman becomes Homeland Security Chairman, that would be good because we'll just bug him if a judge tries to starve somebody to death. Terri's rescue was being handled by Homeland Security but were told to scuttle her rescue. I don't think Joe L. would have scuttled it.
474
posted on
11/15/2006 5:33:04 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
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To: 8mmMauser
What's going on? Glenn Beck, a conservative radio guy works for CNN and Dan Rather works for Fox Cable News.
475
posted on
11/15/2006 5:35:10 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
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To: bjs1779
They legislated, but they did not legislate enough. They left too many ambiguities, and even though it's been years since this happened, they have not fixed them.
To: Brilliant
They legislated, but they did not legislate enough. They left too many ambiguities, and even though it's been years since this happened, they have not fixed them. I welcome you to do a little more reading on this subject. Many of us here can help you out.
477
posted on
11/15/2006 6:14:41 PM PST
by
bjs1779
To: floriduh voter
>> What's going on? Glenn Beck, a conservative radio guy works for CNN and Dan Rather works for Fox Cable News.
News agencies, including Fox, are interchangeable. They are all part of the entertainment industry now. I am quite sure that for 99.7% of the news, a given media outlet could show the "news" from a year ago or five years ago and nobody would ever, ever notice. You could show last year's polls. You could show last year's health news. You could show last year's weather. On the 4th of July, you could show fireworks from 1977 with no one the wiser.
Have you noticed that the news dwindles to practically nothing on Sundays? That's because the industry doesn't bother manufacturing any. Weak time slot.
478
posted on
11/15/2006 7:29:20 PM PST
by
T'wit
("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
To: Brilliant
They legislated, but they did not legislate enough. Indeed, open adultery is already a crime in Florida; while some would argue that it shouldn't be, I would suggest that if nothing else, it is an eggregious violation of contract; while contract issues are usually a civil matter, there are exceptions.
Although one might be able to argue that the law is vague, the only issue I see is whether all of the following are required:
- The person is committing adultery.
- The person knows, or reasonably must know, that the adultery is common knowledge.
- The person makes no effort which could reasonably be expected to prevent the adultery from becoming common knowledge.
- The person continues to claim to be married (i.e. there's no possible claim of non-officially-recognized separation).
- There is no evidence of spousal consent.
Perhaps there are some requirements that I missed, but I don't think there can be any doubt that Michael committed adultery during Terri's lifetime and that he was quite open about it. And yet some people--even some conservatives--continued to insist that to deny his authority over Terri would be to undermine the sanctity of marriage.
479
posted on
11/15/2006 7:46:08 PM PST
by
supercat
(Sony delenda est.)
To: bjs1779
>> Greer could not of pulled her feeding tube without the help of the 1999 Florida law that decreed that a feeding tube is life support - just like a respirator.
That's the law that should have been named "Terri's Law." It was passed in order to kill her. You are quite right, as the law stood before this change, they had no authority to pull her tube. Felos knew it and is thought to have lobbied for the change. When the feeding tube was redefined to be "life-prolonging" "medical care," then Terri (under the right of privacy) could refuse it. Suicide is illegal, assisted suicide is illegal, but you have the right to decline further medical treatment.
Terri left no advance directive and DID NOT choose to refuse medical treatment. Ah, but the law can overcome petty technicalities of this sort. It declared her incompetent to make the decision and then made the decision for her, while maintaining the legal fiction that she made the decision even though she had nothing to do with it and they themselves made the decision, understand? The law is a wondrous thing.
For the sane observer, this poses another huge problem. The law was changed nine years after Terri's injury. It was not possible for her to give informed consent to the supposedly "medical" decision they used to kill her.
Taking an innocent person's life is unconstitutional under both Florida and federal law. The court made itself complicit in murder.
480
posted on
11/15/2006 8:07:20 PM PST
by
T'wit
("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
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