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How the Lancet Cooked the Numbers (Dirty work at the Lancet/Johns Hopkins crossroads)
StrategyPage ^ | October 22, 2006 | Harold C. Hutchison

Posted on 10/22/2006 12:47:13 PM PDT by quidnunc

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1 posted on 10/22/2006 12:47:15 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

They walk into a town and see 4 brothers. They lost a brother in the war. So that's 4 men who lost a brother... so that's 4 men killed. See simple math!


2 posted on 10/22/2006 12:52:14 PM PDT by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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the math you describe is hopefully the same type the lib/dem/msm polls have been touting how the republicans will experience a blood bath on election day!!!


3 posted on 10/22/2006 1:00:11 PM PDT by hnj_00
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To: Bogey78O
They walk into a town and see 4 brothers. They lost a brother in the war. So that's 4 men who lost a brother... so that's 4 men killed. See simple math!

You left out part of it. They counted 4 "civilians", but the brother who was killed was a terrorist.

4 posted on 10/22/2006 1:00:32 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: quidnunc

A hate filled liberal professor from John Hopkins came make up with a voodoo science method to estimate the number people killed in Iraq since the start of the war and then the hate filled liberal media took this voodoo science as the absolute truth! Hate is a very destructive power, it kills the brain, the heart, and the soul of the hater.


5 posted on 10/22/2006 1:02:20 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Bogey78O
Heh. I've been wondering about that possibility, that maybe there was a lot of double- and multiple-counting of deaths. In societies like Iraq, extended families are the norm, and even though you interview people in different "cluster points" you have a (relatively) high probability that some of them are linked through extended family, and could all be reporting to you the same death, and you just don't know it.

That's my suspicion anyway, that this is one factor in the skewed numbers. I haven't voiced this suspicion out loud before because I really haven't looked into the study methodology in depth.

6 posted on 10/22/2006 1:02:44 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Bogey78O

That's basically what I thought it was, too.

Everyone knows people who have died. If you added that up for everyone even in this country, the numbers of people (inadvertently recounting most of the same people) died would be greater than the country ever held. Heck, one funeral and visitation could bring 200 people counting the one person as someone they knew who died!.

Idiots.


7 posted on 10/22/2006 1:02:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: quidnunc

bump.


8 posted on 10/22/2006 1:05:40 PM PDT by F-117A (They say there is no such thing as an ex-Marine,.Murtha disproves that!!!)
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To: F-117A
Lancet's street cred has been debatable for several years.
9 posted on 10/22/2006 1:10:13 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: quidnunc

The other interesting thing is that there have been similar surveys using "cluster points" by the UN and Harvard, finding much lower casualties, yet neither of those studies received nearly as much publicity.

I wonder why?

Who can blame conscienceless left-wing scientists for publishing scare stories about global warming, ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, deaths in Iraq, or other politically popular matters? That's where the hot research grants are, and that's the way to get massive publicity.

Want to make money and become famous? Then just do pimp science and give the left wing press the stories they want to headline on the front page.


10 posted on 10/22/2006 1:14:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ConservativeMind

The Lancet authors state that 92 percent of the death claims were backed up by death certificates. That sounds impressive until you realize that it only takes a small amount of fudging to jump the numbers by half a million - if 200 deaths are bogus, that adds 500,000 to the count when it is extrapolated.


11 posted on 10/22/2006 1:14:54 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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Yes, but the initial 92 percent of "accurate" deaths are equally extrapolated, making the total overcount 8 percent in your circumstance.

Are you sure?


12 posted on 10/22/2006 1:35:40 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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Science--has not existed for decades. Pseudo-science a religion, an act of faith, practiced on an altar of hating everything about everybody and everybody about everything; this is what passes for science today.

Brainwashed graduate students hoping to pimp a grant that proves humanity is doomed unless the elite and enlightened left manage to dupe the flyover states into a nanny state program where the vanguard heroes of social progress are allowed to nuance a utopian (French) PC future for the benefit of the brain dead, patriotic, unwashed, who still, inexplicably, maintain their own moral compass.

The Lancet insults birdcages and dead fish.


13 posted on 10/22/2006 1:52:58 PM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: the anti-mahdi

ping for later


14 posted on 10/22/2006 2:46:55 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (My beloved is mine and I am his. Song of Solomon 2:16)
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To: quidnunc

bttt


15 posted on 10/22/2006 2:55:25 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: ConservativeMind
Yes, but the initial 92 percent of "accurate" deaths are equally extrapolated, making the total overcount 8 percent in your circumstance.

Once again, all it takes is a ten percent overcount to cook the books.

16 posted on 10/22/2006 3:16:49 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: quidnunc

Many trust Lancet to be the highest standard. But, maybe it isn't anymore. Is this a one-time accident that got past the editors?


17 posted on 10/22/2006 3:18:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: 3niner
They counted 4 "civilians", but the brother who was killed was a terrorist.

A terrorist is a civilian, by definition. He's not in a recognised military organization, does not wear a uniform, or carry arms openly. Therefore he is civilian

18 posted on 10/22/2006 3:54:46 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: RightWhale
RightWhale wrote: Many trust Lancet to be the highest standard. But, maybe it isn't anymore. Is this a one-time accident that got past the editors?

This is the third time they've published phony studies grossly inflating deaths in Iraq due to Western actions.

19 posted on 10/22/2006 4:01:30 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Indulge me one tiny rant, please. We have a local TV news anchor who insists on calling the institution "John Hopkins" instead of "Johns Hopkins." Drives me nuts. Uh-oh, I just saw that we have a FReeper who does it, too. Sorry.
20 posted on 10/22/2006 4:03:06 PM PDT by Rte66
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