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New Commandant of Midshipmen is a woman
USNA Alumni Association | 10-20-2006 | Lawrence Heyworth III

Posted on 10/20/2006 1:39:44 PM PDT by ArtyFO

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To: Elpasser
How do you get promoted from Capt (0-6) to Rear Admiral (0-8)? Isn't the rank of Commodore (0-7) in between?

There are two grades of Rear Admrial. The 0-7 version is a one star and the equivilent of an Army Brigadier. The O-8 version is a two star. O-7s are offically Rear Admiral, Lower Half and O-8s are Rear Admiral, Upper Half.

21 posted on 10/20/2006 2:02:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ArtyFO

PC, eh? Sounds like her credentials are pretty darned good. How are yours for making such judgments?


22 posted on 10/20/2006 2:04:23 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Digger

07 is Rear Admiral Lower Half. Did she get pushed up two grades? That would be very PC.


23 posted on 10/20/2006 2:04:45 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

I don't think so. I read the article as saying that the person she is replacing is being promoted, not her.


24 posted on 10/20/2006 2:07:36 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: ArtyFO
Can it get any more PC?

Can you be more chauvenist?

25 posted on 10/20/2006 2:07:57 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Non-Sequitur
"In your opinion what is it exactly that makes her unqualified for the post?"

The question should be more for you to explain how she was the MOST-QUALIFIED of those considered for the post, I think.

The point is that if a white, heterosexual male was promoted to the post, it would not appear here in this forum. We only trumpet the "PC" aspect of the promotion today, not the accomplishment of the rest of the members of society who quietly go about the traditional merit climb without fanfare.

Usually, those who are offended by pointing out the special treatment in the headlines whenever one of the "identified classes" gains prominence it is due to a mindset of "so there, now we showed 'em they can't treat us differently anymore", i.e., a persecution complex that PC-dom has addressed and rectified somehow.

That's the same PC-mentality that would get the Hildabeast elected to the White House with the votes of those who vote for her because she is a (purported) female, alone.

27 posted on 10/20/2006 2:12:21 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: MineralMan

heh heh. rear admiral. :P


28 posted on 10/20/2006 2:16:44 PM PDT by Ecthelion
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To: ArtyFO
She is good and qualified. It aint PC when a woman makes good in a role traditionally assigned to a man. She earned her place.
29 posted on 10/20/2006 2:17:55 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: ArtyFO

The Navy is no different than any other private corporation these days.


30 posted on 10/20/2006 2:21:15 PM PDT by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: traditional1

"The question should be more for you to explain how she was the MOST-QUALIFIED of those considered for the post, I think."

You should ask Vice Admiral Rempt for an explanation; presumably he knows more about her than any of us. Tell him he should explain himself to you.

Let us know what he says.


31 posted on 10/20/2006 2:21:23 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Pukin Dog
"She is good and qualified. It aint PC when a woman makes good in a role traditionally assigned to a man. She earned her place."

From Wikipedia " They pursue the same academic and professional training as do their male classmates, except that certain physical aptitude standards for women are lower than for men"

Physically LESS qualified since the rules are NOT equal. Argue 'til doomsday, but unless the rules are the same, the outcome is biased.

32 posted on 10/20/2006 2:23:54 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: cdga5for4
Army's going to have a field day with this one.

Nah. You will never hear the word "spllitttail". Ever.

33 posted on 10/20/2006 2:24:53 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: linda_22003
"You should ask Vice Admiral Rempt for an explanation"

You doubt that the Vice Admiral follows orders as given?

Very un-military to think that.

34 posted on 10/20/2006 2:25:16 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: traditional1

Okay, so while you're asking him for an explanation, you can add, "Who forced you to do it?"

He'll love that. :)


35 posted on 10/20/2006 2:26:23 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Elpasser

It's Rear Admiral (Lower Half). O-8 is Rear Admiral (Upper Half). Commodores haven't made an album in several years so we dropped it.


36 posted on 10/20/2006 2:28:53 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: linda_22003
No force required (again, you miss the military aspect of the decision-making process).

And, do not confuse the rules used as being "equal", when they are specifically biased to allow the woman to even enter the Academy by lowering the standard for them to do so.

"They pursue the same academic and professional training as do their male classmates, except that certain physical aptitude standards for women are lower than for men"

37 posted on 10/20/2006 2:28:54 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: traditional1
The question should be more for you to explain how she was the MOST-QUALIFIED of those considered for the post, I think.

Not at all. Saying someone is not the most qualified is playing at words. Qualified is qualified, and either she is qualified to hold the position or she is not. She is an academy graduate, has an advanced degree in education (always helpful in an academic environment), has successfully held mid-level and major commands, has served in line and staff positions both ashore and afloat. She seems eminently qualified, to me at least.

The point is that if a white, heterosexual male was promoted to the post, it would not appear here in this forum. We only trumpet the "PC" aspect of the promotion today, not the accomplishment of the rest of the members of society who quietly go about the traditional merit climb without fanfare.

And had the person posting this article not seemed so outraged at the idea of a female Commendant this article wouldn't have shown up here either. It was a PR puff piece from the USNA announcing an appointment, not some banner headline ripped from the newspaper. So if you'r curious why this story is here at all then you need to ask ArtyFO. He posted it.

Usually, those who are offended by pointing out the special treatment in the headlines whenever one of the "identified classes" gains prominence it is due to a mindset of "so there, now we showed 'em they can't treat us differently anymore", i.e., a persecution complex that PC-dom has addressed and rectified somehow.

This is not a news story, it's an email. I read the body of the information and other than the fact that they referred to Captain Kline as 'she' and 'her' they do not make note of the fact that she is a woman. ArtyFO posted this, I do not know if the wording of the title is his alone or not. So for all we know the USNA did not trumpet the fact that Captain Kline is female.

That's the same PC-mentality that would get the Hildabeast elected to the White House with the votes of those who vote for her because she is a (purported) female, alone.

Were you aware of the fact that the officer that she is replacing, Captain Grooms, is, in fact, an African-American? Now you have something else to cry 'PC' about.

38 posted on 10/20/2006 2:29:20 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: traditional1
Usually, those who are offended by pointing out the special treatment in the headlines

What in the hell are you trying to say here?

First of all, this was a USNA announcement. Not a published news article.

Second, the person who posted it made a snide PC comment on the story. So the ENTIRE REASON we are seeing it in this forum is because someone wanted to disparage this officer's gender.

Gawd, you are making an objection for something that simply is not there with this story. And I see a bunch of people trashing a Naval Flight Officer for no reason other than her gender, and that's bullcrap.

40 posted on 10/20/2006 2:30:26 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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