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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: 13Sisters76
IN ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS THERE HAS BEEN NOT ONE FACT-NOT ONE- to support darwinism.

Do you believe the Pentagon was bombed by the US Government, the WTC towers imploded with bombs, and that the moon were landings faked too?

501 posted on 09/28/2006 11:23:07 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Last Visible Dog
It is a fair question but the answer can be found in the article - you should read the article before you add comments.

If you really thought so, you wouldn't edit it to make it appear to be asking something it isn't.

502 posted on 09/28/2006 11:24:46 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Al Simmons

I gather you are an expert in liars. I can't understand that since you believe in the lie of evolution. I believe that takes away your expertism in liars.


503 posted on 09/28/2006 11:28:25 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: finnman69

And that the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth.... etc.

Why do people get so worked up about this stuff? There is no conflict between belief in God, and evolution. None.


504 posted on 09/28/2006 11:28:36 AM PDT by dashing doofus
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To: Stultis
And of course as a living creature, with no indication of a long fossil history

I am not trying to pick a fight but do you really have knowledge of the fossil history of the mudskipper?

505 posted on 09/28/2006 11:30:51 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
You jumped into a thread I was having with another person (which is fine) - looks like you may have not attacked Wells personally - but you certainly are not trying to address any of the positions in the article.

I've raised questions about at least one of his conclusions on this thread, but will re-interate for your benefit.

If Darwinism (TToE) is indeed "first and foremost a weapon against religion" then the logical conclusion is that the author(s) of the theory intentionally constructed it for that purpose. If that is the case, then he's implicitly accusing the author(s) of the theory of intentionally construting a fraudulent theory with the specific intent of destroying religion. He's further accusing the vast majority of the scientific community of either being unable to recognize a fraudulent theory when they see one or being complicit in the deception. I seriously question the basis upon which he is able to meke this determination, and find nothing in the article to support such a conclusion.

506 posted on 09/28/2006 11:32:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
If you really thought so, you wouldn't edit it to make it appear to be asking something it isn't.

You are right - I totally misread your question - my bad. I retract (figuratively) my previous comment.

Your position: I just questioned what where he got his degree from has to do with what motivated him to pursue it.

If he got his degrees from a "Moonie" University you might have an argument but he went to UC and UC granted him the Ph.D. so one of the best schools in the country declared that he understood the subject matter and excelled to the point of being granted a Ph.D.

BTW: the topic of this sub-thread is "Evo's dismiss Well's work based on what they think are his motives"

507 posted on 09/28/2006 11:49:11 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

Wells himself has never attributed his pursuit of biology as being divinely inspired, with the objective of using it to refute TToE?


508 posted on 09/28/2006 11:53:55 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
If Darwinism (TToE) is indeed "first and foremost a weapon against religion" then the logical conclusion is that the author(s) of the theory intentionally constructed it for that purpose.

That is not a logical conclusion.

Using you logic:

The Beatles intentionally told Mason to kill people because Mason said (paraphrased) "first and foremost the Beatles' records told us to kill"

How something is used has no direct connection to how it was made.

509 posted on 09/28/2006 11:56:35 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: tacticalogic
Wells himself has never attributed his pursuit of biology as being divinely inspired, with the objective of using it to refute TToE?

Why are you directing that comment to me?

510 posted on 09/28/2006 11:58:23 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: finnman69
As if your explanation would be any more convincing than that provided by the preeminent anthropologists or paleontologist who have already tried to convert those who don't believe.
511 posted on 09/28/2006 12:00:46 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Last Visible Dog
His intentions are irrelevant to the validity of his positions. Like I said - why don't you take on his positions rather than attack him personally?

You brought up the subject of intentionality by discussing the definition of "lie" -- a false statement, knowingly made for some purpose.

The statement that evolution is anti-religious is a false statement. If you care to discuss this, kindly answer my questions -- posed several times -- on how evolution's relationship to religion is different from that of other sciences that have findings in conflict with a literal reading of the bible. Why is mathematics not anti-science for differing with the Bible on the value of Pi? Why is physics not anti-science for its estimate of the age of the universe? Why is it not anti-science to say the earth moves?

512 posted on 09/28/2006 12:01:03 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: TOWER

Sorry, the "fat lady" hasn't sung yet.


513 posted on 09/28/2006 12:04:18 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Why are you directing that comment to me?

Because you appear certain that any assumptions about his motives are unfounded and/or erroneous.

514 posted on 09/28/2006 12:05:36 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: finnman69
I really get a "kick" out of how some people use certain words to indicate that the position they take is un-opposable. For instance "These creationist goons make thinking conservatives look bad.

In other words, "if you do not agree with my position you are a) a goon, and b) incapable of thinking for yourself."

The air is dripping with arrogance here.

515 posted on 09/28/2006 12:09:32 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: js1138
You brought up the subject of intentionality by discussing the definition of "lie"

That statement does not make senses. I was not speaking of "intentionality" - I could care less about intention - somebody claimed the Wells piece contained lies and I asked them to point out the lies and reminded them of the definition of lie.

Intention has nothing to do with whether or not a statement is a lie.

516 posted on 09/28/2006 12:10:11 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: steve-b

Sorry, Billy Jeff doesn't blush - he becomes red in the face from anger though.


517 posted on 09/28/2006 12:14:11 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: SoldierDad

It has nothing to do with arrogance. It's about education and those who's minds are hermetically sealed shut operating on low battery power.

And yes, those who subscribe to creationism are incapable of really thinking about the reality of the history of the planet and the universe.


518 posted on 09/28/2006 12:14:58 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Buck W.

"However, this is not true if one holds to the literal inerrancy of the Bible.:

Please explain what inerrancy of the Bible.


519 posted on 09/28/2006 12:17:03 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Theo
I see you've been here only a couple of years.

I don't believe in tenure or seniority. Someone who has been a member one hour may add more value than someone here five years.

520 posted on 09/28/2006 12:22:34 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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