VOTE ON TERROR RULES DEFIES BUSH (GOP-led panel gives detainees more protections)

The Houston Chronicle via The NY Times ^ | 9/14/06 | KATE ZERNIKE

[From One - Many]

Our enemy is inside the nation, on our streets, soon to be on our radio and TV, and in the elected highest offices in DC.

[VA40]

Anyone counted how many RINOs we're up to now? What is the real breakdown?

[jveritas]

Is there going to be a House version of this bill?

[Kozak]

HOW? Tell us HOW, Lindsey?

Whoring himself out to be McStains VP....

[jveritas]

we don't need to resort to terrorist tactics to win

Now tell us what are the terrorist tactics that we are going to use if the Senate approves President Bush plan?

[demkicker]

And on another note: Lindsey Graham thinks detainees should have access to classified information in their defense.

Rather than continuing with behind the scenes quiet diplomacy with these Senate jihadists, I hope this will be the last straw for Bush and that he is willing to put EVERYTHING on the line and for once go ballistic publicly so that this cannot stand!

There is not a doubt in my mind that the country will support him. There is absolutely no excuse for him to stand by and let these traitors aide and abet the terrorists and endanger our military and country. This is war!

[From One - Many]

you haven't heard....we are going to ask the terrorists questions.....the shame of it all.

[roses of sharon]

How about this, could Zell Miller be right?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38251

[rollo tomasi]

"What is in the the Geneva Convention is meaningless, all that counts is what 5 "internationalist" judges of the Supreme Court says".-- Warner, McCain and Graham

[Arcy]

I understand McCain's desire to see torture as a method of information extraction eradicated the world over. I think he believes that if we don't participate in it, no one else will. We know he's wrong on that point. I don't believe we should participate in torture as a method of intelligence gathering either but much of what is being classified as "torture" is not torture at all. I would love to see a poll taken as to what people consider to be torture.

[Peach]

I've heard that neither citizen Democrats nor Republicans are pleased with McCain/Graham.

But just think about this - in 2008 - the GOP opponents to the presidency can make some great commercials about McCain's desire to give the jihadists access to classified documents and how he caved to SCOTUS so how can he be expected to fight the terrorists.

[From One - Many]

The legislature in my state is so corrupt, I couldn't trust them to make an honest decision, but I understand what Zell is thinking.

[Steel Wolf]

How idiotic is this? Does this man really believe that the terrorists are going to pause less danger to us if we abide by the Geneva Convention in our treatment to captured terrorists

The point about danger to the troops stems from what they consider the precendent our actions now would set for the next war. If other countries adopt a two-tiered system the way we proposed to do, then our captured special ops or intel guys could automatically face a "Geneva free" hotel stay. They have information vital to the defense of the capturing nation, after all. Why shouldn't they use every means necessary to extract it?

The enemy abuses our prisoners anyway, when they think no one is looking. The only way we can avoid that is to avoid war altogether. Still, under a two teired system, our future enemies wouldn't even have to pretend to be humane. They can shrug, much like we intend to, and say, "Well, we needed to know everything. What's the big deal?"

[SerpentDove]

[demkicker]

That's a little bit much, don't you think? There's a reasonable case to be made for their side. Namely, this:

"We are the United States of America after all; we don't need to resort to terrorist tactics to win. We are in an ideological war with al-Qa'ida. Sticking to our ideals is important."

I honestly don't know how you can look at it any other way than a coup attempt. And your quote is irrelevant since our President isn't resorting to terrorist tactics to win! Tell our military men and women that we are in an ideological war with al-Qa'ida while they try to hang onto their heads. Sorry, but your 'U.N. speak' doesn't hold water.

[Eagle of Liberty]

This pisses me off especially when Graham was all over the airwaves a few months ago saying how much of a travesty it was that the Supreme Court decided the way it did.

JERK!

[Eagle of Liberty]

Should Americans declare war on the US Senate, for Americans own protection?

Patriotic Americans should introduce legislation to the House of Reps to have a vote of no confidence of our entire Senate!

[SeaBiscuit]

"This is so crazy, I cannot even believe it!"

It is.. just like the 190 Taliban that got off the hook the other day.. we can't win playing pc games with barbarians.

[From One - Many]

Americans interrogating enemy combatants have never been the way you describe (except for a few isolated incidences) and then it was nudity and panties on their heads not sawing a person into little pieces as is the practice of the enemy. I'm telling you the truth, now what is your argument again.

[Steel Wolf]

I understand McCain's desire to see torture as a method of information extraction eradicated the world over. I think he believes that if we don't participate in it, no one else will. We know he's wrong on that point.

I can't stand McCain, and I'd have to pray long and hard if it came down to having to vote for him. I'd be happier if he just up and joined the Democrats and got it over with.

Still, let's be fair. For the dozens and dozens of bad things I could say about him, let's recognize that the guy clearly suffered a lot in Hanoi. You can't blame him for wanting to make sure that American forces never treat anyone the way that he was treated by the Viet Cong. It has nothing to do with changing the world; it's just keeping your own house in order.