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Study acquits sun of climate change, blames humans
Reuters ^
| Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:52pm ET135
| Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent
Posted on 09/13/2006 2:01:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Still, the report also said there could be other, more subtle solar effects on the climate, such as from cosmic rays or ultraviolet radiation. It said they would be hard to detect"
Oh man. buried at the bottom of the story you find the above.
To: All
Could we have a careful cycle of measurement time choices....what about past cycles of warming and cooling?
The sun's energy output has barely varied over the past 1,000 yearsWow! Scientists have kept records for so long on solar energy. Who would have thunk it?
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If the earth's climate is not stable, i.e, it varies from one age to another, how can anyone declare with certainty that human activity is causing warming?
How can one sitting on a beach really know whether the next wave was natural or caused by a ship out at sea?
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:04:53 PM PDT
by
Elpasser
To: All
The sun's energy output has barely varied over the past 1,000 years,And what about the previous thousands of years?
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Correction.
Chief Priests of the Church of Global Warming pronounce anathema on any data that does not validate their preconceived assumption.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:06:11 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(New Democrat Talking Point: Rove made us do it!)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
More likely changing ocean currents affect short and long term weather patterns.
To: Elpasser
I've sat on the beach and wondered about that.....saw some waves yesterday....and saw no ships....
To: Elpasser
Of course this little claim is a complete manufactured fraud. They don't have any data to base this claim on.
What WAS cut from this but is in another thread. The Chief author of this piece admitted they did NOT study the sun spot cycle at all.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:08:01 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(New Democrat Talking Point: Rove made us do it!)
To: Names Ash Housewares
Oh, yeah, THAT'S conclusive.
The earth is in a death spiral and there is no chance of escaping the approaching disaster.
Women and children will be hardest hit.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:08:01 PM PDT
by
alloysteel
(Hollywood actors, like children, are best seen and not heard.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Researchers from Germany, Switzerland and the United States found that the sun's brightness varied by only 0.07 percent over 11-year sunspot cycles, far too little to account for the rise in temperatures since the Industrial Revolution.So what does that tell us about solar output during the Lesser Dryas or the Little Ice Age?
Diddly-squat.
Meanwhile, we have documented observational records that there were very few sunspots during the Little Ice Age - so the sun DID behave differently during that time.
More bullshiite from the globaloney warming types.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:09:17 PM PDT
by
dirtboy
(This tagline has been photoshopped)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I wonder if humans, and not the sun, are responsible for the retreating snow pack on the southern pole of Mars, as tracked by the orbital surveyor since 1997.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:12:13 PM PDT
by
My2Cents
(A pirate's life for me.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Further study aquits humans of climate change, blames Bush.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:13:22 PM PDT
by
beethovenfan
(If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"They also found little sign of solar warming or cooling when they checked telescope observations of sunspots against temperature records going back to the 17th century."
Oh really? They were making solar observations back then? There is a disconnect in this statement. And why not go back further through the records of tree rings? (Still waiting for these geniuses to explain past warm periods when MAN WASN'T AROUND)
"Most experts say emissions of greenhouse gases, mainly from burning fossil fuels in power plants, factories and cars, are the main cause of a 0.6 Celsius (1.1 F) rise in temperatures over the past century.
A dwindling group of scientists says that the dominant cause of warming is a natural variation in the climate system, or a gradual rise in the sun's energy output."
What experts? Where? Was a survey of scientists done to support these statements?
"And global Ice Ages, like the last one which ended about 10,000 years ago, seem linked to cyclical shifts in the earth's orbit around the sun rather than to changes in solar output."
But you don't know the reason why so how can you know now?
"Spruit said a "Little Ice Age" around the 17th century, when London's Thames River froze, seemed limited mainly to western Europe and so was not a planet-wide cooling that might have implied a dimmer sun."
Oh so you admit minor variations of weather patterns over a decade? So how do you know the present warm-up (debatable as well) won't end next year? Because of the hockey stick? You can't even predict the weather NEXT WEEK.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:14:12 PM PDT
by
samm1148
(Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If you are looking for a question with a pre-conceived answer, you can find it almost every time.
They already decided it was humans creating the problem, now they have to make the research say the same thing they have said.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:15:28 PM PDT
by
sgtbono2002
(The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I guess they found some cave scrawlings with average yearly solar output energy from 1K years ago. Scientists can't even agree on what a planet is let alone why temps vary.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:15:56 PM PDT
by
BallyBill
(Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And what about the previous thousands of years?
Make that at least a few 100 1000 years as pertains to our species folks.....and then tell me the names of the "record keepers."...LOL.........
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:17:32 PM PDT
by
litehaus
(A memory tooooo long)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The sun's energy output has barely varied over the past 1,000 years, raising chances that global warming has human rather than celestial causes, a study showed on Wednesday.The authors used a blend of seven recent reconstructions of Northern Hemisphere temperature over the past millennium to test the effects of long-term changes in brightness.
So they manufactured a fraudulent series of models to prove their preconceived notions. That is a completely manufacture propaganda statement. They have NO data to back that claim up at all. More fraudulent Junk Science propaganda. They just went out and stated their political propaganda as "Science" these are not scientists at all.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:17:43 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(New Democrat Talking Point: Rove made us do it!)
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