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Reborn [Pill reverses "vegetative state"]
The Guardian (UK) ^ | September 12, 2006 | by Steve Boggan

Posted on 09/11/2006 8:17:41 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: MHGinTN

Actually, I think I've mistaken you for another person who follows me around calling me names..so let's talk here. What have I said that makes me so bitter? I just want to know who is going to pay to keep everybody alive no matter what? That doesn't make me bitter, that makes me a realist. And no, I don't think people's bodies should be kept alive by any means possible...I don't think that's humane. Wanting to return loved ones to health is one thing, but doing that against all hope is clearly another. Medical advances enable people to keep bodies alive but I believe their souls should be set free from the confines of a body that does not work. That is spiritual. THAT is religion, is it not?


81 posted on 09/11/2006 9:46:59 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: MHGinTN

See #81....I mistook you for someone else


82 posted on 09/11/2006 9:47:34 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: Hildy

If the family wants to pay or can fund raise to do it, why should you object.


83 posted on 09/11/2006 9:47:37 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

I do not object to that one bit. But that's not what we're talking about. You know, as well as I, that if there's a pill out there that will do that, ANYBODY who believes their loved one will benefit from it will want it and DEMAND it. Then what?


84 posted on 09/11/2006 9:50:03 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: Hildy

Just wanted to voice my support for your stand...

How much is that life worth - $100,000 ?

$1,000,000 ?

$100,000,000 ?

... a Billion Dollars ?

......... The GNP of the U.S. ?


What price would you put if it was someone elses's money keeping your loved one's body functioning ?





85 posted on 09/11/2006 9:50:35 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Hildy

In Terri's case it was more like "against all machinations of the death lobby using hubby in name only as a pawn" than "against all hope." Felos and ilk are professionals at flinging lethally toxic bull crap.


86 posted on 09/11/2006 9:51:23 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

I have a dear gentle cousin who has a PHD in Biophysics. He suffered several strokes and has many reduced function portions in his brain. After reading the article, I intend to contact his neurologist and have him put my cousin on Ambien to see if it could release the locked off portions of his brain. He can write quantum mechanics equations but he cannot explain what they mean, for example. He can write left handed (was right handed) but cannot read. Sometimes when I'm taking him to an appointment or the store, he just breaks out in German and we carry on a halting conversation (my three years of German was back in college, so my Deutsch isn't as fluid now), then just as suddenly he switches to English and confesses he cannot form the words to continue the conversation.


87 posted on 09/11/2006 9:51:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Hildy

If a pill can help somebody beat Methuselah for the record, I say wonderful.


88 posted on 09/11/2006 9:52:12 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: aculeus

WOW!!!! This is such an amazing article


89 posted on 09/11/2006 9:52:19 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: RS

It's very revealing how nobody wants to answer that question. I've asked it at least 5 times in this thread alone, and people would rather call me disgusting or bitter than address the monetary issue.


90 posted on 09/11/2006 9:52:38 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: The Red Zone

But the pill just keeps you alive, who takes care of you?


91 posted on 09/11/2006 9:53:24 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: Hildy

Nobody could quote a ceiling but there's certainly a floor you're ignoring.


92 posted on 09/11/2006 9:53:50 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: MHGinTN

How does it effect autism?


93 posted on 09/11/2006 9:54:29 PM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: The Red Zone

How do you know that this was not Terri's wish? When it comes down to it, it's really only 50-50.


94 posted on 09/11/2006 9:54:47 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: Hildy

Hildy,
Why should you care. Isn't that the concern of these families?
Has anyone asked you to pay for keeping someone alive?
Unless and until they do it looks like it's none of your business.


95 posted on 09/11/2006 9:55:05 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: Hildy

If my family wants me around to talk with me, even if this is only made possible by a "sleeping pill," don't go shouting down my family. This is not rocket science in 24/7 intensive care.


96 posted on 09/11/2006 9:55:54 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

huh?


97 posted on 09/11/2006 9:56:15 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: antceecee

This whole thing started because someone injected Terri Schiavo into this story, that's all.


98 posted on 09/11/2006 9:57:02 PM PDT by Hildy (5r)
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To: Hildy

Firstly, I'm a student again. 80% of my salary won't keep anyone alive. Thank God for savings and prior gainful employment!

Secondly, if a family member is tasked to care for a loved one the right thing to do is spend the insurance money slated for medical bills on medical bills, not shacking up with some tart and creating bastards.

Thirdly, that whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" thing apparently didn't apply to T. Schiavo. I'm sure it's in the founding documents somewhere...

Fourth, and lastly, your rabid and tenacious defense of euthanasia makes me wonder if you made the call to pull your loved ones plugs and are now trying to rationalize it.

I really hope that I'm not hitting too close to home with that fourth point. It is a tough call to make when it is necessary. I just don't believe that it is necessary in every case.


99 posted on 09/11/2006 9:57:55 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: patton

I don't see anything in the articel regarding autism, but the newest research I've seen on autism seems to place the culprit for the autistic brain on another cell functioning apparatus. With this PVS problem, it appears a shutdown mechanism has over workled the function and now it takes some blocking agent to return the brain to normal functioning or near normal. If I can find it, I read a recent article in the BBC medical archives that addressed the latest findings on autism. I'll go dig a bit ... knew I should have linked to that one.


100 posted on 09/11/2006 9:58:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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