Posted on 09/03/2006 1:55:46 PM PDT by Coleus
> I do have a responsibility for helping destroy the system that created them
Yes, that darn modern western medicine. Or is it science in general that you are opposed to?
No, I am against Mengeleian Science.
Our God is a jealous God, He will have no other Gods before Him.
And chastisement will increase.
Prove it. Or for that matter, prove a test tube embryo does.
Thank you for your excellent testimony!
Friends of mine gave birth to their first child in November 2004. Despite all the "pre-screening", the child was born with multiple birth defects. The parents were in a financial position to afford treatment. Over the span of 9 months, the child underwent several surgical procedures, rebounded and then relapsed as another problem cropped up. This young couple fought valiantly for the life of their child, and so did their son. In July 2005, following 13 hours of open heart surgery, the team of specialists counseled the young couple. They assured them that every medical procedure known to man had been done on their son but that he was a very sick child and nothing further could be done.
The family's catholic pastor drove 4 hours to administer the Last Rites and be with them in this time of grief. When they were ready, the child was placed in the arms of his mother, life support systems were disconnected and he died peacefully, in her loving embrace.
Life has great meaning. This child's life was short but he contributed so much to the congregation that prayed for him along with his parents. At his funeral, the medical staffs of two hospitals, who had ministered to him in life, ALL showed up. This child had touched the lives of so many, in his short existence.
In July 2006, as the first anniversary of his death approached, the young mother gave birth to a 2nd son. He accompanied his parents to church on that 1st anniversary. The parents promised their first child that he would be forever remembered to his siblings. The same community that prayed for the first child and accompanied the parents on their "Via Dolorosa", joined together again last month, to welcome the 2nd son into the family of God, through the Rite of Baptism.
ALL of us have been touched by the tremendous courage of this young couple. We have reassessed our own priorities of life, drawing strength from their testimony.
Of course not. Zygotes go better with a vodka martini and a side of fresh grated horseradish.
Does an embryo?
I don't know. Does it? How would we know?
You sound like a good, tough scientific materialist. Let's see how tough you are, tough guy, when it's your turn, and the doctor finally gives you your bad news.
Stiff upper lip, pal. No prayers, no sacraments, no otherworldly solemnities for you. Go down hard, and show the rest of us how it's done.
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Really? How so? Drowning the unwanted, like they do with kittens or puppies?
You might just as well lament the fact that the several million of Chloe's father's sperm all swam to no end and died.
Only one sperm can impregnate an ovum! It takes millions of sperm for the one to reach its destiny. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.
And I suspect this child will be very thankful to her parents that she will not have to spend the first few decades of her life knowing that she will eventually die of cancer at a young age.
And how will she know this if the parents have not pointed this out to her, which you attest will never happen.
For many of us, the problem is not just with the screen-and-discard process. It's with the whole process that separates conception from natural human relations--with IVF itself. This is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about IVF involving sperm and egg from the biological parents themselves:
2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible [than those involving donor sperm and/or egg], yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children." "Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses' union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person."Obviously, this is a minority view even now - and will become more so as people increasingly reject the notion of giving birth to "defective" children. But I think most people know that there is something amiss with the mindset behind test-tube baby-making. That's probably why so many of them are anxious to find a good rationale for destroying the unwanted embryos stored in fertility clinics.
Sounds good to me. Not sure what your reply had to do with anything, but you are not exactly projecting scintillating intellect either which probably explains everything just fine.
There's no "debate" about it. The point where an individual human life begins is conception. At that SPECIFIC point, a set of biochemical reactions begins that will yield a new, unique human being. That initiating impetus continues for 25 years (the period of cellular growth and maturation). After that point, the mature human continues until death (at whatever age). Prior to conception, sperm cells and egg cells are indeed "alive" but only as motile parts of a the human that produced them---NOT new unique life.
All other points of view are simply sophistry trying to justify murder.
See post 116.
The symptom of the presence of the soul is life: growth, etc. The rationale that an embryo isn't worthy of living can be applied to any unborn baby, and, according to "ethicists" like Professor Peter Singer, to born children as well, if they don't achieve certain standards. And also old people, and sick people. Some of them might be considered to not be "self aware", and certainly have no bright future ahead.
So you're saying that there must be self-awareness to warrant not being killed? How much self-awareness? A lot of newborns aren't very self-aware either. People argued that Terri Schiavo wasn't self-aware. Should she have been killed, or should she have been allowed to live?
I get my information from three places:
1. Common sense
2. Vedas
3. Bible
And the Golden Rule, which is extant in one form or another in every religion in the world. Just as you like being allowed to live, let others live. Just as you don't like being murdered, don't murder anyone.
Yeah...but the guys who wrote that Catechism thing have no real training in bioethics, and no source documents from which to draw on, i.e. there's nothing in the Bible about IVF or embryos.
Why is the opinion of the Catholic Church anything more than just opinion that Catholics should accept for themselves, but not try to impose upon Jews or Protestants?
jas3
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