Posted on 08/06/2006 6:23:12 PM PDT by goldstategop
I wouldn't mind a bit if Israel retained as full-fledged citizens those West Bank Arabs who proffered full allegiance (or who, at least, just wanted to be left alone) as "Israeli Arabs". As Christians, I think we have a moral obligation to support the Property Rights of dirt-poor Arab Olive-Farmers who are willing to live in peace and grow olives (mmm, olive oil.... who would cook with anything else?).
If the Arabs of the Palestine Mandate (at least, the tiny sliver between the Mediterranean and the Jordan that Britain left to the Jews) want to live in Peace with the Jews of Jewish Palestine ("Israel"), then I say "Amen". If the Arabs DON'T want to live in Peace with the Jews, then saints-and-begorrah, imagine that... there already is an "Arab Palestine" representing 80% of the original Palestine Mandate, specifically dedicated by Winston Churchill, and it's called Jordan.
That cannot be true. "Liberalism" (as the term is used in America) has nearly nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with state control. "Liberalism" means confiscatory taxation, extreme regulation of business, restriction on speech, gun control, erosion of property rights, centralisation of government power ...
The only freedoms that "liberalism" seems to care about are the "freedom" to publish pictures of naked people, and the "freedom" to kill unborn babies.
I know that they're not abortionist pornographers ... but if they're truly interested in political freedom, then voting for "liberals" (as the term is used in America), which they manifestly do, is incredibly stupid. I can only conclude that 1) they're idiots or 2) they're not really interested in freedom or 3) they're brainwashed by the MSM.
I'd make the same observations about "Blacks" and Catholics also voting against their interests. In all cases, I think the primary problem is MSM brainwashing. I see entirely too much evidence of it among my friends and relatives.
Won't happen, there's never been any real support for expelling Arabs.
I wouldn't exactly call it "butchered like cattle."
With cattle it is the slaughterer who herds them into the slaughter house. Apparently, in Lebanon it is their supposed friend, Hezbollah, who is setting them up to be killed.
In any case, counter-battery fire is an issue. It can be immediately launched against an identified round via reverse trajectory mathematics. It is part of the issue, because I've seen some self-propelled howitzers on TV, and these are nearly always mistakenly called "tanks" by idiot reporters.
There are, of course, other targets that get identified by human intelligence or other varieties of signal/electronic intelligence. These can be taken out when necessary by the IDF or IAF. When this is done, any combatant hiding among civilians, dressing like civilians, fighting from the midst of civilians is the REASON why various laws of war were written. It is recognized as an horrific crime against those civilians. It is cowardly.
And it causes consider collateral civilian deaths when the IDF MUST attack. In war, there can be no "free shots" against the enemy just because you happen to be shooting from a hospital, school, or throng of civilians. If any foe forbids firing against targets in those instances, then a ruthless enemy will logically ALWAYS fire with civilian shields, and their foe will ALWAYS be defeated.
The thread did die, and I was the one (I think) first to invoke Godwin's Law. I had no idea, though, that the thread eventually died. I had left it. I became disenchanted with the inability of some to name the people who currently are legal occupants of the land. I find that so silly....like believers in God's foreknowledge who refuse to acknowledge that it, too, is irrevocably predestinarian in its effects.
No sense getting into it here.
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