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How the Schools Shortchange Boys - In the newly feminized classroom, boys tune out.
City Journal ^ | Summer 2006 | Gerry Garibaldi

Posted on 08/03/2006 11:38:51 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: AnAmericanMother

The stopped the Ottoman invasion of Western Europe at the Battle of Kosovo and later, Serbian mercenaries fighting for the King of Poland relieved the siege of Vienna by the Turks.


221 posted on 08/04/2006 1:56:18 PM PDT by JMS
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To: AnAmericanMother
You seem to have a visceral dislike of the classics. Must have had a REALLY bad experience.

School in general and english class in particular were the most boring, unproductive and needlessly punitive experience I have ever been through. I have tried to pick up Shakespeare a couple of times since, and every time I have been utterly unable to enjoy it due to memories of a boring incarceration. I still enjoy reading, but not any of the material I was given at school. So to my view, they ruined those books to me for life.

I could not disagree with you more, however. Teenagers as a group sink to the lowest common denominator. They have to be pushed a bit, or all they'll read is trash if they read at all.

In my opinion, encourage teens to read trash if they enjoy it. That will at least impart the habit of picking up a book for pleasure. Maybe they'll move on to deeper material later, and maybe they won't, but at least they'll read.

222 posted on 08/04/2006 2:00:34 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: linda_22003
James notes laconically (in his memoirs, "Eton and King's") "It was bad policy, for it unnerved one for further efforts."

I think the case has been made before that it was the undoing of the British upper class. Carelessness in childrearing. Today, we have a different kind running rampant.
223 posted on 08/04/2006 2:00:39 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

James wasn't upper class, and the comment was from a teacher, not a parent, but other than that... okay. :)


224 posted on 08/04/2006 2:05:59 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: redpoll

"Phallophobic."

I like that. Another new phrase to add to our lexicons! Thanks for the post.


225 posted on 08/04/2006 2:32:57 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Tirian

"Think about it - the long-term implications are serious!"

Of course they are. But it's unlikely to change. The unfortunate truth is that in our legal and political system, as well as in large parts of our popular culture, males are simply not considered to be as valuable as females are.


226 posted on 08/04/2006 2:40:26 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Depends if you're talking about the folks in the stalls, or the "groundlings".

I'm not aware of either of those socioeconomic groups' being coerced into attending Shakespeare performances, or any other theater.

I agree, though, that I've no interest in replicating Elizabethan education in Deo Vindice Christian School (where our model, Stonewall Jackson, certainly didn't know Ancient Egypt from a hole in the head)!

227 posted on 08/04/2006 2:54:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: JMS

Quite so. Not to mention the fact that the medieval and early modern history of Serbia is far more relevant to current affairs than anything to do with pre-19th Century Egypt.


228 posted on 08/04/2006 2:56:57 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: ModelBreaker

>"Care to speculate how that happens? They [men] hire each other. They give each other bigger raises. They don't have to be any good! They'll whine all the while about how all women are stupid and useless, and how none of them would be hired for anything save for affirmative action..."

Listen to yourself. You are a bitter victim. <

No, I'm a survivor. I see what goes on, and I don't pretend the world is perfect, but I don't beat individual men up over it, and I don't even try to tell them that they've never lost a darn thing.

Only a fool chirps and dances and pretends everything is perfect when it is not. I don't keep throwing books at people to wail, moan, and cry about victimhood.

Attacking me because I relate truth doesn't change the way the world works.

Yes, poor, poor boys. Isn't it awful. Maybe women should be chattel again for a few centuries...poor things...mum and dad raised them to be impulsive savages, and now they run amuck in a structured classroom...oh, their testosterone is being thwarted O WOE.

Animals will misbehave, too, if they are not 'gentled', and taught some early manners. Works with small humans, too.


229 posted on 08/04/2006 3:21:01 PM PDT by RSteyn
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To: Tax-chick
The upper classes were, to some degree, moved to go there by "peer pressure". And religous issues entered into it, too - the more Puritan preachers regularly launched against "strolling players and vagabonds," so there was something of a reaction against that from the artsy types.

The groundlings just wanted to see the murders and the low comedy.

230 posted on 08/04/2006 4:06:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I'm fond of murders and low comedy, myself!


231 posted on 08/04/2006 4:09:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: linda_22003
I had a German riding instructor like that.

Surprisingly, I learned a great deal. I never took it personally . . . he was just the way he was, like thunder is loud and lightning unselective.

232 posted on 08/04/2006 4:09:29 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: CGTRWK
Yup, you had a bad school. You just have to rise above it, and quit letting your life be ruled by what a bunch of hamhanded adults did however many years ago. That's not Shakespeare's fault.

If I were you, I would give Tom Sawyer a try, then Huckleberry Finn. Shakespeare is not to be missed, start with one of the comedies -- Twelfth Night, perhaps, always one of my favorites. If a good local company is putting one of the comedies on, go see it first, then get a Folger edition (very reader friendly with extremely helpful notes) and read what you just saw.

Fortunately you can usually find schools that aren't like that. We worked hard learning which schools to avoid before our children reached school age. The City of Atlanta public schools are SO bad that there was never any question of our children attending them. I wouldn't send a dog to any Atlanta public school except Jackson Elementary and Morris Brandon . . . and there's a waiting list for them about four years long. Had my children not been able to get into the schools we wanted, it would have been homeschooling for us (I homeschooled my son for a couple of months while waiting for a place to open up in the school of our choice . . . )

233 posted on 08/04/2006 4:15:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: linda_22003
I adored Sherlock Holmes, had read all the stories by junior high. Liked them so much I joined "The Goose Club of the Alpha Inn" at college. What fun!

I still re-read the stories occasionally, but if you haven't run across them and you like Sherlock Holmes, you really need to read Conan Doyle's historical novels. The very best are The White Company and Sir Nigel, although I also like Rodney Stone and the Brigadier Gerard stories.

234 posted on 08/04/2006 4:18:06 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: LexBaird
My gg grandfather Long couldn't spell, but other than that his letters were splendid. He was a "common soldier", I guess, because he never got beyond private and he used to say in his old age that he met so many colonels and captains and majors that he concluded that he was the only private who had survived the War!

But he did have an engineering degree from the University of Georgia (class of 1843).

235 posted on 08/04/2006 4:20:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: neverdem

That's nuts.


236 posted on 08/04/2006 4:21:13 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated)
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To: Tax-chick; JMS
The history of Eastern Europe is certainly relevant now for current events . . . especially Lepanto, gates of Vienna, etc. . . .

But from the point of view of Western Civ., it's a little off the beaten path. ("Not that there's anything WRONG with that" . . . but for a survey course it's a bit of an outlier. A history of Eastern Europe would be a VERY good secondary course though.)

237 posted on 08/04/2006 4:22:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: CGTRWK; AnAmericanMother

Try adventure novels (which is what I'd suggest for much of high school reading). Horatio Hornblower, Captain Blood (Rafael Sabatini), Kipling, Stevenson, etc. Try G.A. Henty, one of the most popular novelists of the turn of the century (20th century, that is), making a comeback among Christian homeschoolers.

Try "The Saint" detective stories. You need a top quality vocabulary and a knowledge of history, Latin quotes, French and German, and comparative religion to get through this stuff with full comprehension. Dang it, people used to be somewhat educated! "The Saint" is pulp magazine fiction, for heaven's sake, but the author assumed the reader knew French and German!

There is plenty of good, solid, classic fiction that is oriented toward the teen/young adult perspective. And let's be honest, adults love this stuff too. It wasn't teenagers buying the World's Great Pirate Novels in the 19th and 20th century, it was adults. It wasn't teenagers who made Louis L'Amour one of the bestselling novelists in history.

I dug the Harry Potter books, once I picked them up. (The hand of God placed one in the bathroom when I was up at 2 a.m. with Vlad, some months back.) Of course I bring a middle-aged-mom perspective to the stories. Want to hear my thesis on the essential theme of fatherlessness in the Harry Potter series?


238 posted on 08/04/2006 4:29:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Can you give me one way ancient Egypt is relevant to modern life, except for "Stargate" fans?

(My Patrick almost revealed his Goa'uld identity the other day, but he stopped at the last second and banged on the wall with a spatula.)


239 posted on 08/04/2006 4:31:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: Tax-chick
Ancient Egypt was the foundation of the Hellenistic civilization. That was one of the basic building blocks of modern culture. It's not relevant the "current events" at this moment, but it underpins most of what you read.

And of course all modern linguistic analysis began with J.F. Champollion and the Rosetta Stone. We stand on the shoulders of giants.

(I'm rather like Epimetheus in The Water Babies; I'm always looking backward. Kingsley thought Epimetheus was more important than Prometheus, and I do too.)

240 posted on 08/04/2006 4:41:07 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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