Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

House slates vote on raising minimum wage (bowing to moderates, seeking to defuse campaign issue)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/28/06 | Andrew Taylor - ap

Posted on 07/28/2006 9:31:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-128 next last
To: reflecting

Why would anybody bother starting their own business if they don't think they'll be sucessful as a result? A worker should be paid for what they contribute to the company's profits, which in a low-profit margin industry like fast food or grocery stores (the two places you'll most commonly find minimum wage workers) isn't very much.

Also, if the pay is really that bad, then all other jobs in the area should pay more, meaning that the owner would not be able to hold onto workers at those wages.


41 posted on 07/28/2006 10:41:13 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: TChris
By your reasoning, I should lobby the government to force my customers to pay me what I think they should.

Oh no...you're just a businessman, and you're rich anyway.

42 posted on 07/28/2006 10:44:02 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: reflecting; TChris

He's not holding a gun to anyone's head saying "you must work for me." The employee is agreeing to work for that much money. What don't you get about that?


43 posted on 07/28/2006 10:46:34 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: spinestein

If your job is that rare is it not already on the soon to be extent list?I am not minimizing the impact this would have on you or your family....the fault is not with the wage laws but with the free trade policies....which threaten to beggar us all.


44 posted on 07/28/2006 10:46:55 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: reflecting
almost right....you should not take on an employee until the wage you are able to pay him supplies his child with the life you would find suitable for your child.

Wow. You've missed the whole point.

I didn't say anything about employees. I'm talking about the right for two people to negotiate their own terms in a business transaction. I set a price; you are free to pay that price or buy the product elsewhere.

There is no law protecting Hershey's income because they might want people to pay more for chocolate. There is no law protecting Duracell's income because they might want people to pay more for batteries. Labor is precisely the same: It's a product with a market value, and the two parties, employer and employee, are free to negotiate the value of that product. If the wage offered by the employer is too low, the employee is free to find a job somewhere else. If the wage demanded by the employee is too high, the employer is free to hire someone else.

The bottom line is freedom. Should people be free to negotiate between themselves, or not? Why is it fair to tie the hands of one but not the other?

An employee is paid what his work is worth. If he can only do $5.00 per hour worth of work, there is no reason for an employer to be forced to pay $7.25 for that work. It makes no more sense than if the Fed Gov were to declare that we all must pay $5.00/gallon for gasoline, just because oil company executives would like the higher priced lifestyle. The principle is the same, whether it's a "rich" person or a "poor" person flexing his greed.

If the $5.00-per-hour employee would like a bigger paycheck, then he has some options. He can improve his education, making his knowledge worth more in the labor market. He can go into business himself, risking his own money and efforts for the opportunity to keep all the profits for himself. In short, he can make his skills more valuable, then he will be paid more for his time. To demand more pay than his labor is really worth is simply theft. It's taking what isn't rightfully his. If he hasn't earned the pay, he has no right to demand it.

45 posted on 07/28/2006 10:49:47 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: spinestein
I was speaking of the miners of old who were little more than chattel slaves.... but hey no one put a gun to their heads and said you must work for me...
46 posted on 07/28/2006 10:50:13 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: gogeo
Oh no...you're just a businessman, and you're rich anyway.

LOL! Yep, I suppose I am rich, when compared with the rest of the world. In comparison with the rest of the USA, though, I'm quite comfortably middle class. Two used cars and a mortgage on a less-than-2000-square-foot house.

47 posted on 07/28/2006 10:52:32 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: reflecting
Let's no be ugly....I have the job I want...been here for 6.5 years.....but I am surrounded by wealthy small business owners who will not pay a living wage (a very good term one of the only things we can thank J.J. for) for it cuts into the yacht budget, the Mac Mansion....

Let’s not be ugly? It starts with your arrogant posts my friend. On to the substance….I doubt the employees are contractually obligated to stay, so why not leave for another job? It's what normal people do. Employers are not “job providers”. They exist only to make a profit. I think Leonard Cohen said it best: Don’t work for pay, get paid for your work.

48 posted on 07/28/2006 10:55:29 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I gigged your peace frog.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: MinnesotaLibertarian

do you really believe this? Really? Let your self go for just a moment and imagine this country if no labor laws had been enacted....if the monopolies had not been broken apart... do you not see that soon all power and all force would concentrate in the few. You would Latin America.


49 posted on 07/28/2006 10:57:25 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: RacerF150
It is arrogant to disagree....? hmmmm.?
50 posted on 07/28/2006 11:02:22 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: reflecting
if the monopolies had not been broken apart

I could've sworn we were talking about the minimum wage, not monopolies. I do support breaking up monopolies (REAL monopolies, not like Microsoft), as they are a market inefficency.
51 posted on 07/28/2006 11:04:20 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: TChris
An employee is paid what his work is worth

It seems employees are paid as little as possible, thus increasing the owner's profits. If there is a surplus of laborers the employers will take the one willing to work for the lowest wage - the most desperate.

52 posted on 07/28/2006 11:08:45 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: MinnesotaLibertarian
unrestrained capitalism would not allow for the breaking of monopolies....
53 posted on 07/28/2006 11:11:13 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: reflecting
It seems employees are paid as little as possible, thus increasing the owner's profits. If there is a surplus of laborers the employers will take the one willing to work for the lowest wage - the most desperate.

Let me ask you something. Personally, when you have a purchase decision to make, such as filling up your gas tank, do you try to pay the highest price possible or the lowest? Do you, personally, look for good deals, getting the most value for your money?

54 posted on 07/28/2006 11:11:26 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: reflecting
you should not take on an employee until the wage you are able to pay him supplies his child with the life you would find suitable for your child.

We have found your tagline!

55 posted on 07/28/2006 11:12:26 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I gigged your peace frog.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: TChris
I see your point, but does not your view make objects of us all..... people are people and things are things.... it seems false to appease our conscience with a shrug and label the worker the same as the product. Again I say we do have a moral responsibility to those who work for us. And that responsibility is to pay them a living wage.....
56 posted on 07/28/2006 11:17:40 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

SO the minimum wage gets pushed closer to real wages. Will everyone else be getting a 40% wage hike over the next 3 years? I didn't think so. Oh, wait. Many union employees have their wages calculated as a percentage of above the minimum wage. So now union employees (I wonder how many are gov't employees) will also be getting 40% raises, too!


57 posted on 07/28/2006 11:18:07 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RacerF150
you should not take on an employee until the wage you are able to pay him supplies his child with the life you would find suitable for your child....

I don't understand?

58 posted on 07/28/2006 11:21:11 AM PDT by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: reflecting

The impact wouldn't be on my family. I'd just go out and get another job. I'm merely complaining that the job I'd have lost is one I'm happy with.


59 posted on 07/28/2006 11:29:39 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: reflecting
Pay should equal the benefit of the services. Apparently you subscribe to the Marxist creed that Capitalism steals the value of the working man's labor. It is a fact that about 2.5% of all people employed in this country make the minimum wage. Most people have some skill that makes them marketable enough to be paid more than $5.15.

To what level should we raise the minimum wage. How about $25 per hour, that would take everyone off welfare. WRONG, it would create massive unemployment, and more sweatshops that you complain of. In fact sweatshop that exist are probably the product of the illegal immigration problem in our country that not enough of our Democratic or Republican leaders want to address.

Have you read Milton Friedman or F.A. Hayek? Check them out.
60 posted on 07/28/2006 11:30:19 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-128 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson