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Clemson’s role as baseball host unfurls flag flap (More Confederate Flag)
Charlotte Observer ^ | July, 23, 2006 | Joseph Person

Posted on 07/25/2006 10:19:23 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: Rb ver. 2.0
The leaders of the south believed the were within their rights to kill occupying Federal troops.

And the federal government, quite naturally, took the opposite view point. And so the war came. And your side lost. Why complain about it?

161 posted on 07/26/2006 7:00:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

"Actually the NCAA dropped that. Chief Illiniwek and the Flordia State Seminole get to stay."

McMurry University in Abilene is still fighting them to keep their Indians mascott.


162 posted on 07/26/2006 7:06:09 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: smug
YEP. i've heard of the gentleman, though i never met him.(somebody, i forget who, said he has "passed away". PITY!)

during BOTH the "flag rally at the statehouse" & at the "civil rights" rally that followed it, there were NUMEROUS "person of color" who carried & waved the battle flag & other CSA banners.

btw, i was invited to BOTH rallies & participated in BOTH. at the "civil rights" rally i marched with a AME pastor & his wife from Spartenburg. i carried a 5x8 S&B,with NOT a single problem.

fwiw, a "gay guy" showed up with a PINK "gay pride" flag & was quietly/politely but FIRMLY "asked to leave". (he WISELY did.)

free dixie,sw

163 posted on 07/26/2006 7:18:46 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: smug
NOPE.

free dixie,sw

164 posted on 07/26/2006 7:20:18 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: sauropod
It's the PC brigades such as the NAASomeCP that have bastardized it and tried to change the meaning.

The Confederate battle flag [CBF] was first politicized, then bastardized by Southern segregationists and their minions in the Invisible Empire starting in the 1940s. It was represented for decades as a symbol of segregation, racism, and defiance toward civil rights for black Americans. With nary a peep from the so-called heritage preservation groups of that era.

Placed in that context it doesn't seem too difficult to understand why black political groups in the South have a problem with the CBF being displayed in public places. One is tempted to say " ya'll made yer own bed, now sleep in it".

165 posted on 07/26/2006 7:20:55 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: M. Espinola
laughing AT you, fool!

don't you get tired of being the BUTT of jokes from BOTH blue & gray sides on this forum???

i'd think you'd be embarrassed. certainly the "unionist forces" are.

free dixie,sw

166 posted on 07/26/2006 7:22:16 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur
you KNOW the REAL answer for that one = lincoln LIED about NOT resupplying the fort & about "peacefully evacuating" the fort.

when you are DISHONEST, there are frequently "consequences" for LYING.

free dixie,sw

167 posted on 07/26/2006 7:24:47 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola
laughing AT you!

don't you get tired of being the BUTT of jokes from BOTH blue & gray forces???

all you have to do to end RIDICULE of you is to leave FR, never to return. you'll fit in NICELY on DU, with all the other EX-FReepers who are over there RANTING about NOTHING & "acting a fool".

free dixie,sw

168 posted on 07/26/2006 7:28:08 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And the federal government, quite naturally, took the opposite view point. And so the war came. And your side lost. Why complain about it?

Who, in this discussion has complained or denied that the South lost the war? For that matter, has anyone stated any regret that all states are united today? Go back and read post 158, I think azhenfud summed up pretty well, the reason for the war and what is still believed and felt by Southerners today.

Most Southerners are proud of their heritage, not because they, or their ancestors, supported slavery, but because they were willing to stand up for what they believed in. We still do not want outsiders telling us what to do, whether it's the Federal government with too many regulations, or the NCAA or NAACP. But we apply these same principals to the country as well. We don't want the UN or EU having any undue influence on our country.

These same Southerners, who are proud of their Southern heritage, are also fiercely supportive of the United States today. Go anywhere in the South and I'm sure you will find far more US flags flying than Confederate flags. I may be wrong in this, but I would venture to say you will find more US flags flying in the South than you will up North.

169 posted on 07/26/2006 7:28:59 AM PDT by Livin_large
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To: azhenfud
lol.

fwiw, i despise "bounceball" & would like the NFL to play 12 months a year.

GO COWBOYS!

free dixie,sw

170 posted on 07/26/2006 7:30:02 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: antisocial
McMurry University in Abilene is still fighting them to keep their Indians mascott.

I hope they get to keep him. The NCAA will give Division I schools a pass, and fight Division II and III schools to the death I guess.

171 posted on 07/26/2006 7:35:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
you KNOW the REAL answer for that one = lincoln LIED about NOT resupplying the fort & about "peacefully evacuating" the fort.

Actually no he did not.

172 posted on 07/26/2006 7:37:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
UNfortunately, you are incorrect about this. the ncaa just moved their "injun names" fight to the courts.

we AIs wish they would just "SHUT UP".

the ONLY "sports mascot" name that offends Indians is "redskins". that is "a term of abuse", not unlike calling the team "the Washington Darkies". (wonder how long that "nickname" would last, even with Coach Gibbs saying that the team HONORS "the many contributions of Blacks???)

free dixie,sw

173 posted on 07/26/2006 7:39:30 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: azhenfud
YEP!

free dixie,sw

174 posted on 07/26/2006 7:41:57 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Please show me where I have complained. It's a liberal tactic to put words into people's mouths as you just did. Please don't do it again.


175 posted on 07/26/2006 7:45:17 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Non-Sequitur
sadly for YOU the letter, bearing the signature of the TYRANT, still exists.

lincoln LIED & a MILLION citizens needLESSly DIED for his DISHONESTY & FOLLY!

free dixie,sw

176 posted on 07/26/2006 7:58:04 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
sadly for YOU the letter, bearing the signature of the TYRANT, still exists.

Date and recipient, please. I can look the letter up online myself.

177 posted on 07/26/2006 8:30:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stainlessbanner
First person I ever heard that thinks the CSA was larger and should have fought longer.

It was a huge land and the CSA didn't have to invade and subdue the North, all they had to do was to sustain the resistance. Had the Southern people had a cause they deeply believed in they would have persevered a lot longer. When the going got tough, the South got going back home and out of the rebellion. Many thousands of Confederate soldiers deserted the army, many avoided conscription in the first place and many from the mountains even joined the Union army. Of all the myths of the Confederacy, the idea of a Solid South supporting the slaveowners' rebellion is one of the most far fetched.

178 posted on 07/26/2006 8:53:07 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: antisocial; stand watie

Seminole Nation in Florida endorsed FSU, that's why Chief gets to stay I guess.


179 posted on 07/26/2006 9:02:28 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: mac_truck
you wouldn't know a leftist if he hit you in the head with his hackysack...

It will be a happy day when more people realize that there is nothing really conservative about a regime set up to keep half its people in bondage nor in its successors, the Democratic state governments that enforced an apartheid that kept half the population as an underclass.

180 posted on 07/26/2006 9:04:06 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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