Reason to Believe : A leading geneticist argues that science can lead to faith

Washington Post ^ | 07/09/2006 | Scott Russell Sanders

[editor-surveyor]

Anybody can post anything they wish to wikipedia. It's totally unreliable

[VadeRetro]

Anybody can post anything they wish to wikipedia. It's totally unreliable.

This particular dismissal does not work for the subject matter of these particular articles and does not help your credibility, as if anything could at this point.

[editor-surveyor]

It's not my credibility, but yours and all the other dreamers that's in need of help. I don't click on wikipedia links; they're for the far-left loonies that run that site.

[VadeRetro]

Clay is clay. You don't make the material rebutting your ridiculous claims go away by trying to shoot Wikipedia.

[js1138]

Someone has lost his marbles.

[blowfish]

...or has gone a little greywacke...

[blowfish]

It's slated to go down in the annals of "this is your brain on creationism", I'm sure!

This is an all time howler, even by Free Republic standards.

[jimbolog]

I am sure that some accounts can be explained as you suggest. However, another likely scenario is that when an individual ponders the magnitude, complexity and beauty of creation, and when that individual is properly prepared, revelation/inspiration from the Lord can be received.

The experiences of the Apollo astronauts (Borman, Irwin and others), come to mind as relevant examples. This site/article may not provide the most objective account of their experiences, but it was the best link I could conveniently locate:

http://www.eschatologytoday.net/newsviewer.php?id=51

[2nsdammit]

How about the US Geologic Survey? Would you take their word for it? http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1451/sltt/appendixB/appendixB.pdf

How about a university? http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities/rocks/rocklab.pdf#search='definition%20metamorphic%20rock'

Or two?
http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1300/metoutline.html

Or three?
http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/420k/PDF_files/LABS/metlab.pdf#search='definition%20metamorphic%20rock'

Why don't you just admit it - you didn't know what you were talking about? Show a little intellectual honesty.

[2nsdammit]

ping

[2nsdammit]

...the mind wobbles....

[2nsdammit]

So your mapping was all surface contours, or soil related. Nothing like this, I take it:
http://www.und.edu/instruct/mineral/101intro/grandcanyon/grandcan.htm

[PatrickHenry]

Keep the faith.

[VadeRetro]

The USGS!?? Aren't they part of the New World Order? Universities, those hotbeds of communism? Get some REAL sources!!

<Crackpot_IDiot_mode>

[2nsdammit]

It's tough, some days, but I shall endeavor to persevere...

[VadeRetro]

Someone has lost his marbles.

There could be a lot of well-marbled meat--in his brain.

[2nsdammit]

Guess what? Even "answersingenesis" says metamorphic rocks were once sedimentary!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i3/canyon.asp

"Clearly visible in the walls of the Inner Gorge are spectacular light-coloured rocks, such as the pink granites,1 which stand out starkly against the darker, metamorphic rocks2 (figures 1 and 2). The latter are former sedimentary and volcanic layers that have been transformed (metamorphosed) by heat and pressure during intense geologic upheavals in the past."

;-)


(Of course, they misrepresent the ages, but that is to be expected...)

[VadeRetro]

BTW, your description of how marble forms (precipitation from solution) applies to travertine and dripstone (stalagmites and stalactites). However, these calcite rocks are not marble, nor are they metamorphic at all. You have to heat and squeeze to get marble.

[js1138]

There could be a lot of well-marbled meat--in his brain.

Fossilized, but flexible when treated with acid.

[VadeRetro]

The latter are former sedimentary and volcanic layers that have been transformed (metamorphosed) by heat and pressure during intense geologic upheavals in the past.

In the past six thousand years, that is. People who think the world is only 6K years old actually believe in very fast transformations. Geologic processes have to happen very fast to get to the Earth we have, in this model. The ark animals have to evolve very quickly to get the Earth we have, in this model.

This model doesn't work, I'd say.