ex-GI accused of Iraq rape, murder from same platoon as 2 GI's who were kidnapped, mutilated

AOL News ^ | 07/02/05 | TIM WHITMIRE

[mockingbyrd]

"The FBI affidavit estimated the rape victim's age as 25, but a neighbor in Mahmoudiya said Monday she was 14."

This is a pretty big discrepancy to me. It seems like they can't even agree on who the victim is here. I will always give the men who lay down their lives to protect my children the benefit of the doubt. Which makes it all the more painful when it turns out that they are guilty.

I don't know what to think.

[cardinal4]

I would normally think that this guy would be reactivated to face UCMJ charges. Is this federal proceeding normal or would his discharge for this personality disorder prohibit that.

I wondered about that, too. If he is being charged at the federal level because he was out of the service, what difference does it make what district he was charged in? Id imagine he is in the Louisville district because it encompasses Ft Campbell. If they are charging him there, why not just turn him over to the Military?

[bobby.223]

I agree. to many "stories" reported from the sand box recently. lets wait a bit and see.

[USNBandit]

I think it is probably due to the disposition of his discharge.

If he was retired or owed time in the IRR then one would think that he would be activated and subsequently charged under UCMJ.

I know the info in the article is probably sketchy, but I was wondering if the Marine lawyer could give his opinion.

[SE Mom]

People like Green make men like my son, ex-military who spent three years in Kosovo, very angry. It's hard not to catch a little of that from him.

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I know... and that is something I can agree on with you. I've heard the same from mine as well :)

I'm not in denial- I see there's a good chance this happened in some version of what we've heard. I want it not to be true. That doesn't mean I'm living in a fantasy land where anyone in uniform is automatically above reproach.

I hate this. For everyone.

I understand also- and appreciate there are people who are devil's advocate kinds of folks- and that's a good thing- keeps us all on our toes. I was just hoping you'd give it a rest :)

[paul51]

The FBI affidavit estimated the rape victim's age as 25, but a neighbor in Mahmoudiya said Monday she was 14." This is a pretty big discrepancy to me.

The age is irrelevant. They have apparently admitted to raping and killing her.

[Sarajevo]

alcohol-fueled rape , Green fired shots from an AK-47 submachine gun

This stinks to high heaven. According to General Order #1, troops are not permitted to consume alcoholic beverages while in Iraq or Afghanistan. Also, troops are not permitted to carry or use foreign arms while in the Area of Operations. If this was occurring, it is a failure of the chain-of command.

After all the troops who have been charged lately, I will wait to see what the courts determine. IMO, our judicial system is being used against our troops to undermine the military's efforts.

[lonster]

i wonder how you could interpret my comment that way?? all those who set a car bomb to murder dozens of people are all sick fiends. i thought i laid it out fairly plain.

[dakine]

"According to General Order #1, troops are not permitted to consume alcoholic beverages while in Iraq or Afghanistan."

Yeah, that is followed 100%....

[BlackVeil]

All I said was that I'll wait for the facts to come out.

That is wise - a lot of stories fall to pieces when they come to court - but it is fair to comment on the story as told.

[Saije]

I don't think the judicial system is being used against our military, I think it's being used to protect it. I certainly don't want a military that allows rapists and murderers to remain in its ranks by covering up their crimes. There should be due process for the accused, justice for the victims. It's the rule of law, probably more meaningful to the average soldier than to any of the rest of us.

[Sarajevo]

Yeah, we all know that if Joe wants to have a little nip, he'll find a way. It's still a C-o-C issue. Where was his NCOIC? Where was his Plt Leader?

[SE Mom]

What a mess.

[abb]

but it is fair to comment on the story as told

When the telling is being done by the Drive-By Media, just a tad of skepticism might be advisable, however...

[SE Mom]

BINGO.

[Sarajevo]

Hmmm....So many accusations as of late. This is a guerilla war, and they (the guerilla's/terrorists) will do anything to gain their objectives.

[dakine]

Someone posted a link to the .pdf filed on the case...it allows folks to ignore "MSM" portrayal...

[abb]

I saw the affadavit. I don't believe it. It's got to be proved to me. Period...

[SE Mom]

link?

[JCEccles]

The available evidence suggests these allegations are of an entirely different kind than the Haditha allegations. Haditha happened within the context of combat following an enemy operation. This case looks more like thug criminal behavior, the kind that justly earns the offender multiple death sentences.

We'll have to see how this plays out.