Posted on 07/03/2006 2:26:25 PM PDT by blam
GGG Ping.
Isn't one of the problems regarding the Exodus date a political one, with biblical minimalists trying to dismiss the existence of Hebrews in Egypt altogether?
Interesting article.Book sounds interesting too.
Excellent book. I've read it twice.
Great observation about the politics.
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What artifact are they claiming is the Ark?
Interestingly, during the same years as the ThutMOSE Pharaohs were reigning. (1490's down into the 1300's)
ThutMOSE.....MOSES
I've wondered about that name similarity before.
I think Baillie's date is the right one, too. His arguments are very good.
If Moses supposes his toeses are roses, Moses supposes erroneously...
http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000162.html
EXODUS - The Pretender to the Throne of Pharaoh
Fareeda Ahmad - UK
The Review of Religions, October 1996
(snip)
The order of events in both the Bible and Qur'an are different from the volcanic events and the theory does not fit the facts in every way, but the details are not considered important and where the clash cannot be ignored, for example the mutual incompatibility of Thera Tuthmosis and the 15th century, obviously one of these must change. Hence we sacrifice the timeline of Egyptian history and pull Tuthmosis back 200 years. Both books are well written and very interesting. Pelligrino, with whom I take exception, simply believes the Muslims have inherited Biblical stories and incorporated them into the Qur'an. I believe he is being unscientific. This could only be the case if the Qur'anic stories were proved to be a derivative of the Biblical ones. As the case stands it is the Biblical version of the days before the Exodus that seems more embellished.
Furthermore, if the Qur'an were based on the Bible, it should be careful not to differ in it's version of events and yet differ it does. Leaving aside whether Pelligrino and other scholars believe the Qur'an is written by God or the Holy Prophet (saw), it should still be treated as an older text (7th century AD), preserving a different version of events. This is easier to comprehend if we remember that the Latin Vulgate, which is of great importance dates to approximately 400 AD and that the definitive Massoretic text is from the 10th century AD.
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As for the explosion of Thera, in all probability it happened, but rather than propelling the Israelites out of Egypt, if it had the wide ranging climatic effect suggested to cause a change in weather and drought and famine and change of leadership it may even have been instrumental in propelling them into Egypt in search of food.
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Islam wants more than anything to prove there was never an Exodus...but Egypt wants back the gold and treasure the Israelites took out of Egypt with them. In Oz, we call that having a bet both ways.
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The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1]
Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."
http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sd&ID=SP55603
From the article:
...identifies a 3,500-year-old gold image - found in a museum in Athens - as that of the lost Ark of the Covenant.
He isn't claiming to have found the Ark, but an image of it. It would be rather difficult to have a piece of art with an image of the Ark carved on it that predates the Ark itself.
Thanks, should have read that more carefully.
The name Moses is supposed to mean "taken from the water," but it was a common component of Egyptian names and it meant "child."
Astronomical Retrocalculation and 1 Kings
"And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord."
- I Kings 6:1
"Thiele's chronology of the Israelite kings [The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings (1983)...places Solomon's coronation in circa 931 BC. Thus the temple was founded in 928 and Moses brought the Israelites out of Egypt four hundred and eighty years earlier in circa 1447 BC. This date for Exodus is supported by Judges 11:26 where it states that around three hundred years had elapsed from the Conquest of the Promised Land to the judgeship of Jephthah (c. 1110 BC."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 249
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/exodus.html
for what it's worth...
http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub119.htm
Thanks. You got me searching.
Sitchin dates the Exodus at 1433 when Moses was 88 years old. ("The Wars of Gods and Men")
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