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Controversial Organ Donation Method Begins in Canada - Organs Extracted 5 Minutes after Heart Stops
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/27/06 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 06/28/2006 5:52:02 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: No Truce With Kings; cricket

What you describe is frighteningly similar to what is going on in China. They execute far more people than the rest of the world combined and their preferred method of execution is a bullet in the base of the skull. This is all done so they can harvest organs as efficiently as possible. And things like tax evasion are capital offenses.


81 posted on 06/28/2006 1:30:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- Pr esident Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
What you describe is frighteningly similar to what is going on in China.

Where 'Left' leads. . .evil follows.

82 posted on 06/28/2006 1:33:54 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: Mike Darancette
If you marked "organ donor" on your driver's license DON'T go to Canada.

I suspsect this new ruling will motivate some to 'emmigrate' to next door. . .

That said: 'what time did we start counting? or. . .Oh well, what the hell. . .it's been almost five minutes. . .OR One. . .two. . ./Mary have her baby yet?/. . .four. ..five. . .

And of course. . .too numerous to consider all the 'variations' of the time is relative theme. . .

. . .and certainly a disaster for those who might have otherwise 'awakened' on the table. . .or worse, a slab. . .

83 posted on 06/28/2006 1:41:33 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: SuziQ
You don't harvest necessary organs from someone who is still alive.

They will not do it 'live'; perhaps like the Chinese do it. . .a gun; at the base of the skull; and with a silencer. THEN. . .they harvest. . .

84 posted on 06/28/2006 1:47:31 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: T'wit

It's not uncommon after a severe head injury such as in a vehicle crash. Some of these patients, if kept on a ventilator and other support, may not meet the technical definition of brain death for a long time, and quite possibly not until organs have deteriorated to the point where they're unuseable for transplant. But their brain injuries may be so severe that there's no realistic chance of ever regaining awareness. If they also have physical injuries that would kill them soon anyway, and likely require them to be kept in a medically induced coma or heavily sedated in the meantime, what's the point? Most people would WANT to save other lives, if there was nothing else they could possibly accomplish in their short remaining life. Of course, people should be able to opt of being donors at all, but if you want your organs to go to others when you can no longer use them, the law shouldn't prevent that by imposing requirements that will often prevent the dying person from donating organs that will save others.


85 posted on 06/28/2006 1:53:58 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: hedgetrimmer
The "brain dead" neomort would be a warm, respirating, pulsating, evacuating, and excreting body requiring nursing, dietary, and general grooming attention. These "living" cadavers could then be stored in "neomortoria" (units in hospitals where neomorts on life-support systems could be housed) for organ transplantation, medical and nursing education, and drug research.

. . .the core of book 'Coma' by (Dr.)Robin Cook. . .years ago; but probably still out there in paperback. . .

. . .and when I decided to never be an 'organ donor' as well. . .

(I will however give 'bone marror' or a part of an organ; iow. . .whatever I can share. . .

86 posted on 06/28/2006 1:58:01 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: hedgetrimmer; cricket
corr: That was supposed to be. . .bone marrow, of course; (and I really should wear my glasses. . .)
87 posted on 06/28/2006 2:01:10 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: silverleaf
A "heart wrenching" decision....did the writer REALLY mean to put it that way?

LOL and for sure. Do love the way the language of consciousness; speaks for itself. . .

88 posted on 06/28/2006 2:02:15 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: wagglebee

Sometimes on Sundays, my 78 year-old grandmother would announce that we were having chicken for supper and dispatch one of us children to the coop to fetch the slowest hen or scrawniest rooster; while we were running all about to snatch it up she would busy herself with tightening up the clothesline and when we handed up our prize, she would snatch it from our hands and tie its feet to the line.

Then after checking the big kettle put on to boil and judging it ripe, she would take this great knife kept solely for this sacred rite, grasp the hapless bird about the nape, pull down taut, swipe a mighty swipe and dash across the rocky yard leaving a wavy trail of red-stained ground behind as the chicken danced its final dance.

The rest's a blur of smell and noise, the dog madly barking, me busy retching, my sister running for higher ground; but in the time for the pot to settle, the bird was gutted, the feathers plucked and the coop went back to its former raucous state.


89 posted on 06/28/2006 3:54:02 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Petronski
I've seen Alama on other threads, he's a real kook and athiest. He's attacked both Catholic and Jews....

and don't forget that Rome's chief rabbbi, Rabbi Zolli, converted after the war and I'm sure if had thought pius xii were anti semitic, the rabbi wouldn't have been attracted to the RCC.
90 posted on 06/28/2006 4:01:34 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies & mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton allowed it through executive order)
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To: Coleus; Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for the reminder regarding Rabbi Zolli, I'd forgotten.

I just get sick when I see the same old lie trotted out again and again. Don't they know the case is incontrovertible? Or do they know they lie but do so anyway?


I pity poor haters like Alama. As Christians we're called to pray for our enemies. After I cool down, I always try.


91 posted on 06/28/2006 4:19:09 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: fanfan

I forgot to ping you to this earlier today.


92 posted on 06/28/2006 5:18:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Coleus; Petronski
I've seen Alama on other threads

Well, you don't have to worry about seeing Alama anymore.

93 posted on 06/28/2006 5:19:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
Thanks Wagglebee.

Canada ping!

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

94 posted on 06/28/2006 5:28:15 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: Petronski
Or do they know they lie but do so anyway? >>

you'll have to forgive their ignorance and hatred, they read and believe the NY Slimes.

Remember Kristallnacht, did the NY Slimes mention that democrat FDR was silent during the whole affair, no sanctions, no immigration from Germany allowed, and that he turned down a bill allowing 20,000 refugee children to enter the USA. And who could forget FDR turning away the SS St. Louis filled with Jews fleeing the holocaust only to be sent back to their deaths. Silent on the FDR issue and not silent on the revisionist history on pius xii. The more people hear and read it the more they will believe it..
95 posted on 06/28/2006 6:21:45 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies & mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton allowed it through executive order)
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To: Coleus

Truth, so beautifully put, is brilliant to behold. Thanks for another excellent post.

I can't set eyes on "SS St. Louis" without wanting to weep. Men should weep at the thought of it.


96 posted on 06/28/2006 6:56:49 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Interesting you mentioned 'hospital case worker'. With 30+ years in level 1 urban trauma centers I have no idea what you mean in reference to this phrase. Major level 1 hospitals have transplant teams. They include everybody from clergy to the chopper pilots who deliver the 'parts'. Consider that when death is imminent (ie..when you have grey matter leaking out of what used to be your forehead), the organs will be more viable the earlier you can retreive them. Iterfacing with a family who's son/daughter will live due to organ transplant is uplifting to say the least.


97 posted on 06/28/2006 7:10:20 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander

She was a person who was talking to the family in the ICU waiting room. There was an accident and the man was in a coma. She was trying to tell them that there was no chance of recovery but if they pulled the plug the organs could be harvested for transplants.

I did not get her business card and at the time, she was just plain ghoulish to be doing this. I think is we had not asked her to leave the friends wife would have physcially lashed out at her.

You points are dwarfed by what that was happening in that waiting room. It is nice they feel good harvesting organs, that changes noting for the family who must bury the remains of the loved one and find no comfort that organs were conveniently harvested.


98 posted on 06/28/2006 7:26:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Alama
And I will gladly put an addendum in my living will to use this procedure if I am on a ventilator to harvest my organs

The problem with easing the criteria for "harvesting" organs, is that each step potentially provides an avenue for undue pressure to be brought on the doctors to certify that the donor's case is hopeless, so that harvesting can be done

Pray you are not in the hospital when some VIP needs your organs

99 posted on 06/28/2006 7:34:00 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor; Petronski; wagglebee; All
"A British doctor described today how he and colleagues brought a toddler back to life more than seven hours after he was discovered face down in a pond.

The battle to save two-year-old Joe Towey was the longest resuscitation yet carried out in the UK, he said.

He had been discovered by his parents, Michael Towey and Jennifer Nock, in the water at his Birmingham home on Boxing Day and rushed to the city's Heartlands Hospital.

Eight doctors and nurses led by Dr Nick Makwana worked non-stop to revive Joe, who has since made a full recovery from his life-threatening ordeal.

Dr Makwana said: "When he pulled through it made you think: 'Gosh, this job is so worthwhile.'"

The medic said Joe survived because the cold water, coupled with the chilly winter weather and his small size, caused his temperature to plummet suddenly, sending him effectively into a deep freeze which prevented brain injury.

Using cardiac massage equipment, the medical team worked for more than five hours to make Joe's heart beat again and another two stabilising him.

"Even when we managed to find his heartbeat, it was still a very critical situation," Dr Makwana said.

"He had been without a heartbeat for five hours, so we had to be very guarded. We were very conscious that he could be brain damaged.

"But once we knew he was going to be OK there was a real sense of achievement."

He added: "We subsequently found out that it was the longest successful resuscitation ever carried out in the UK."

Joe was today back at his home in Yardley Wood celebrating the arrival of his new brother, four-day-old Jack.

Mr Towey, a builder, said: "Joe was dead, he was completely gone.

"But the staff at Heartlands were amazing - they never gave up.

100 posted on 06/28/2006 7:53:59 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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