F-22 cleaning house at Northern Edge Alaskan exercise(news video)

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[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

New F-16s probably run around $40M. New F-15Es run around $75-80M. I believe new F-22s run around $120M, and would be cheaper if we bought them in larger numbers.

I would like to know what the per plane cost would be after the initial development costs expire and we get our manufacturing costs under control.

Manufacturing costs normally trend lower with time then flatten out at some minimum. Then they start to trend up again due to procurement difficulties caused by component obsolence.

[CyberAnt]

Well .. I can assure you HE IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.

He just happens to love writing spy novels, etc. That does not make him a conservative.

[Fruitbat]

We have and continue to have the best trained, best armed military in the world. While that won't change anytime soon, our nation will be protected from outside in in spades as the inside rots due to illegal immigration and the spread of Islam internally.

I think that's the way it happened in Rome too. /s

[Fruitbat]

We have and continue to have the best trained, best armed military in the world. While that won't change anytime soon, our nation will be protected from outside in in spades as the inside rots due to illegal immigration and the spread of Islam internally.

I think that's the way it happened in Rome too. /s

[colonialhk]

Same argument was made against the Abrams and the AH64 as I recall.

You still need numbers but I think the advantage is still with US designs and the force multiplier

[MikefromOhio]

hey it ONLY took 62 replies to get a comment about illegal immigration.

People must be slipping on this site :)

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

That's the F-22 I'm referring to..

[ovrtaxt]

Ah- I picked up on that later in the thread. Looks like losing the cold war wasn't kind to them- not that I think they've ever actually stopped fighting us, mind you...

[krunkygirl]

How do the men who fly these jets keep their egos in check?!

They'd get my attention, and then some... wooooo!

[NordP]

WOW, that is absolutely wonderful!!! Goose bumps are everywhere. Geeez, I wish I were younger and born with testosterone ;-).

[Redmen4ever]

my, my, are we losing it?

[Names Ash Housewares]

They are done terribly well.

Heres another good one.

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[raygun]

ping

[lOKKI]

Lokki Quotes ASOC
"Straw-man argument"

Perhaps, Air-Calvary Man, but more like you're buggy whipping a dead horse.

I'm not the only one who calls the F22 the last fighter, and drones the future. Drones have obvious attractions even in dog-fighting. The reason is that an unmanned airplane can maneuver more violently than a manned craft, as there are limits to the amount of gravitational forces that a human being can withstand without passing out. Unmanned fighters can, of course, be combined with other modern concepts as well.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/011111-attack01.htm

http://www.circlesixmagazine.com/world/f-22_raptor_air_superiority_endgame.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20011125/ai_n10735532/pg_2

[MARKUSPRIME]

Could you could send this video to me? I dont have QT pro and I cant save it to my HD.

[MARKUSPRIME]

I can watch it and just cant save it unless I buy QT pro,and I dont want to buy that. ;)

[Names Ash Housewares]

If your ISP can accept an 11 meg file, just private message me your email and Ill send it to you.

[Crazieman]

You're missing something.

We were looking out, not in.

If a huge group of planes appeared on radar heading towards US mainland, we would have had fighters up and ready to intercept in an instant.

[gregwest]

I used to work at NORAD, in Cheyenne Mountain. EVERYTHING in the air over the US is watched. NORAD and the regional operations centers detected the hijackings early. The problem was that we don't (or at least didn't) maintain fighters on alert. It was the aftermath of the end of the cold war and the arrogant assumption that we were untouchable. We took Minuteman silos off alerts and even stopped alerts at the forward operating bases like Galena and King Salmon that used to wait to intercept Russian Bear G's.

I hope that 9/11 forced the military to take a higher posture in defense of the homeland. Our military wasn't prepared to defend against assymetrical threats. We can't even defend our borders against illegal aliens at the current time, nor keep foreign fighters from infiltrating into Iraq.

President Bush has taken a positive step in taking the war outside our borders, but I have to ask, wasn't "homeland defense" the mission of the DoD to begin with? Why create an entirely new department for what the military should have done as its Constitutionally mandated mission? The homeland isn't secure in even the most abstract definition of the word.

[ASOC]

Why not large LASER platforms (747 like) that can blow up anything from 10s or 100s of miles away?

Why not huge coastal batteries of cruise missiles coupled with OTHB radar instead of a Navy, why not orbiting ultra-high power excimer LASER platforms for ground support, etc, etc.

Drones are not there yet, and the few we do have suck up so much bandwidth that the USAF and NATO are forced to lease commercial B/W to support those few drones we do have.

10 or 20 years from now, maybe. Now, unlikely.

BTW, I'm not Air Cav. ASOC, Air Support Operations Center (old school) as in Death from Above, Death on Call, all that sort of TACAIR stuff. You know, F 4 stuff.