Posted on 06/10/2006 9:45:53 PM PDT by churchillbuff
That runs counter to most of what I've heard. What statistical studies are you citing?
It may have to do with the UP Quark(+2/3 charge)and DOWN Quark(-1/3 charge); but, hey, that's just a guess...Jesus will explain it all when he gets back as our ambassador to intelligent species thruout the universe.
If your statistics are right, a lot of nonChristians go UP Quark.
Some people have had experiences that they know better than to talk about with others who have not.
Yes, indeed. You are so right. I was going to say that it is a matter of faith, but when I saw your comment I knew that perhaps you too had experienced something that let you know. There aren't words to describe it.
"Nobody has come back to testify about it,"
Try Dannion Brinkley's Book, "Saved by the Light"
A careful reading of Scriptures will reveal to you that there are two groups in Heaven, the Bride of Christ and the invited guests; both are there because of what Jesus did for us. Some even if the truth of Him is revealed to them will choose to not accept the Grace of God in Christ. They 'didn't choose wisely', to quote the old Knight in Last Crusade.
My grandfather was in a care home. He talked for a week about going out with Mary, my grandmother, who'd passed a few years before. One evening, he got out his good shirt and slacks and laid them out for the next day. When he got up, he put them on. When the nurse commented on it, he told her simply that he was going out that day. When she said that she was going down the hall to get his meds, he replied, "Well, go ahead, but I'll be gone before you get back." She left to get his drugs, and when she returned, he was sitting in his chair, having left the building seconds before. Talk about an exit!
3-1/2 years later, and I still ponder things I cannot put into words.
I'm sure that an atheist or skeptic would say that her exclamation was just her fading mind in an emotional state expressing it's fondest desire at that critical moment. But I choose to believe that she saw her dear husband's handsome young face as he reached out to take her hand and welcome her to their eternal home in that heavenly land where Jesus Christ went to prepare a place for those of us who are trusting in him and him alone for our eternal salvation.
I had both an out-of-body-experience and a NDE when I was a teen after a car wreck. I didn't understand what they were at the time, other than inexplicable to me. I don't know whether what happened to me is proof of an afterlife, but it sure was proof to me of the supernatural or at least proof of another dimension.
The OBE was very real, the NDE in hindsight, was a little fuzzy and a little harder to remember and explain. I don't remember a light or a tunnnel, but do remember great peace and beutiful soothing music and being surrounded by beautiful fauna. Never before or since have I ever felt such a great feeling. I don't know where I was, but didn't want to leave.
I was in a coma for about two weeks and spent about 48 days in a hospital.
I think the Lord is kind. I don't think he intends an eternity of hell for the average Joe that doesn't believe in Him. I think He will honor the wishes of those who think and believe when they die they are dead, that they cease to exist.What a bizarre thing to say. What ever makes you think that those of us who don't believe there is a life after death, want it that way???He will give them what they want, no more existence.
My Uncle died of cancer years ago in his 40's. My dad was 62 when grandma passed away of heart failure in February 2005 in her 90's.
In her last days, she was constantly talking to those who had gone before, including her departed son (my uncle) and a good friend who passed away several days before she did (no one told her).
She suddenly turned to my Grandpa and said "Why have we lost BOTH sons?" My apparently healthy father was actually standing at her bedside at the time. We all said "wow, Grandma is really becoming incoherent."
Two months after Grandma died, Dad was diagnosed with inoperable bile duct cancer...he died last July.
"Someone" must have told her that Dad would be joining her soon.
I had what I guess is an out-of-body experience once. I was in surgery sometime in the summer of 01 and I could like see the "wakeup room" and everything from an overhead view. I was extremely groggy though. I never came close to dying though (that I know about.)
I guess it was my imagination or something. It was kindof blurry and I could feel the burning effects of the (i guess it was) morphine that the doctors gave me for pain. I was in a great deal of pain and once the doctors gave me some extra morphine I snapped out of it. The "out-of-body" experience only lasted for I guess around 1 to 3 seconds.
The reason I think it was either a dream or my imagination is because I have a hard time believing in out-of-body experiences.
I believe that christ died for my sins and am a christian but I just can't believe what I haven't seen.
Goose bumps!
Thanks Churchillbuff for the thread.
Thank you Jesus for your kindness and love.
Let's say someone has Hindu grandparents that they were very close to, and have passed on. Would the Hindu grandparents, assuming they were decent people, be invited guests? If not, then who gets to be invited guests?
I saw things in my OBE that I could not have seen due to my being unconscious. I also saw them from an elevated position. I also can't explain this.
Life and death has to be re-defined on a spiritual basis, not a physical basis, for there is a greater death than the death of the body.
And there is a greater life available to you here and now than the life you were given when you were born on earth.
The question that can be answered today is, can one begin partaking of that greater life and know they have entered into eternal life before their body is buried?
Well, that's the Good News!
But if we are only concerned with the question of retaining our conscious awareness, memory and identity after our physical body perishes, that can be answered by anyone who has ever had a wide-awake, out-of-body and bi-located.
You ask a question that has no Earthly answer.Ask God when you see him, or just look around when you arrive.
I was kindof awake during this I think. I kindof think I was hearing sounds and my mind was making vision to the sounds I heard.
The only thing I can compare it to is like my arm going to sleep. Except its my entire body.
And told me from now on I'd be voting Democrat.
You ask a question that has no Earthly answer.
Fair enough. What are the scriptural answers to the two questions above?
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