Low-skilled illegal and legal immigration's effect on earnings opportunities of American workers.

Sessions.senate.gov ^ | May 19, 2006 | Senator Jeff Sessions

[Ben Ficklin]

"argumentative"?

I have pointed out that Sessions cherry-picked testimony. I have pointed out that Sessions cherry-picked parts of Chiswick's testimony.

I'll let those facts do my arguing.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Ben Ficklin is a pro-open borders troll.

[investigateworld]

>>>Trust me, you don't want that job. Someone who spends $250k renovating their bathroom is not well-balanced to begin with -- giving them people to "boss around" doesn't improve their mental health. The punch sheets (I think that's what they're called) are as thick as phone books and lawyer fees are built into the estimates. <<<

Now that would make wearing the Orange vest look good!

(And you are correct on punch list nomenclature)

[taxed2death]

it is not just those with low skills that are getting killed off economically.

"I have spent a decade becoming a trained proficient carpenter who will shortly be forced from the business because i can be replaced by three illegals for half the rate. and they mostly work for cash by the day, no benefits and no comp and no ss or state tax's paid by their employers, thereby underbidding the shit out of my lawful company owned by the sons of italian immigrants.
i chose this business 15 years back, the biggest mistake I ever made."

Same with auto body repair, Heating HVAC, machine tool apprentice...etc. just "more jobs that Americans aren't willing to do".
Basically every American kid graduating from a State Technical / trade school is gettin screwed too. GWB has a serious case of cranial / rectal inversion syndrome with this particular topic.

[raybbr]

It is clear to me that the reason for this disparity is cultural. We have our culture and Mexico has its culture.

Man, are you out of touch. It's too late to stop the "new America".

THE "NEW AMERICAN"

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

[investigateworld]

""""Same with auto body repair, Heating HVAC, machine tool apprentice...etc. just "more jobs that Americans aren't willing to do".
Basically every American kid graduating from a State Technical / trade school is gettin screwed too. GWB has a serious case of cranial / rectal inversion syndrome with this particular topic.""""


Worth repeating bump.

[durasell]

These guys are interesting. I remember them as nail bangers framing out homes or hanging $99.00 cabinets from Home Depot. What they did was develop these highly specialized skill sets. They learned how to work with rare woods, marbles, etc. They learned who the brokers are and the sources of antique fixturing etc. etc etc. Now they get to travel around the world doing the work.

[SamAdams76]

News bulletin: If your job can be done by a low-skilled, uneducated immigrant, than perhaps you aren't challenging yourself very much.

[kcvl]

Not to mention the fact that they breed like rabbits.

And guess who pays for that?!!!

[durasell]

The only group that wants the flood of these workers are the employers who want a sub-citizen class of cheap labor. Having millions of un-assimulated, un-assimulatable people erodes our culture, our values, our language and our middle class. Not to mention a possible national security disaster.


The employers aren't interested in whether their workers assimilate or not. They aren't concerned with values or language. They mostly concerned with getting a guy who can hang sheetrock for seven bucks and hour. That gives them a competitive edge in the marketplace.

Even if you ended the flow of illegals tomorrow, you'd still have plenty to do the work. And it would take years to put enforcement into practice.

Native born Americans who do similar work have a couple of choices.

A)Upgrade their skill sets
B)Find another line of work
C)Form unions
D)Accept the lower pay and compete with illegals

[investigateworld]

Must be a totally different market on the East Coast.
Here, we're doing Mcmansions.
That term in construction refers to the modern trend of of building huge homes, just giant motel rooms to tell you the truth.
No terrazzo or inlays, rare woods, staircases done in drywall.
Big, but nothing to distinguish them from a Motel Six room, but upgraded carpet. YMMV ;^)

[durasell]

From what I've heard from my sources, McMansions are a scam. The houses are knocked together as cheaply as possible, then the developer throws in a couple of "touches" like a Subzero fridge, Viking range, granit countertops and Kohler fixtures so the buyers think it's upscale, while the actual house itself is one step up from a trailer...I could be wrong on this, please correct me if that's the case.

Here on the east coast -- NYC -- you have a lot of wall street money flowing. There's a lot of turnover in these old townhouses and a $2 mil renovation is seen as down market.

[durasell]

p.s.

Many years ago I saw an old Italian guy actually create a terrazzo floor, start to finish. It was an amazing thing to witness.

[investigateworld]

RE: McMansions, you are correct, some of the 'new rich" don't really know the difference.

I've actually seen them use big box store cabinets, the lowest grade. But that ok for me when they want to up grade.

Here on the W/C the Mexican drywallers have a tradition, nasty but funny!

[taxed2death]

You forgot the most obvious...

E) pass legislation for workplace enforcement against the hiring of illegals. This would make every employer have to abide by laws and play by the rules. Then there wold be no economic incentive to hire illegals.

[Jim_Curtis]

News bulletin: If your job can be done by a low-skilled, uneducated immigrant, than perhaps you aren't challenging yourself very much.

That is the position I hope the open borders candidates will take. It's a losing position. Illegals can replace most workers who have real jobs.

We can all move into careers that exploit the cheap immigrant labor instead of compete directly against it but then we will need hundreds of millions of low paid immigrants. It all ends the same, a very small euro-white minority in the US and a parasite majority divvying up the spoils of the conquered.

[VOA]

bump

[Ben Ficklin]

I posted a link to facts that you can't dispute and only thing you can do is to call me names.

[Jim_Curtis]

I posted a link to facts that you can't dispute and only thing you can do is to call me names.

Post the argument that runs contrary to the specific point that Sessions was making. You make it sound like Sessions is obligated to make someone else's argument.

You might be able to find some crackpot arguing against the obvious but I bet even you won't claim to agree with it.

Anyone can prove Sessions right by performing a simple experiment. Get a contractors license and start hiring labor. If you hire citizen labor, you will need to pay them what your competitor pays his illegal immigrant labor because you must compete with that contractor's low bids.

[durasell]

E) pass legislation for workplace enforcement against the hiring of illegals. This would make every employer have to abide by laws and play by the rules. Then there wold be no economic incentive to hire illegals



That would take years. Figure a couple years at minimum just to get enforcement up and running. And that's if legislation flies through.