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Mel Gibson Slams Da Vinci Code
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| 05/22/2006
| Carl Limbacher
Posted on 05/22/2006 9:36:23 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: NavyCanDo
Funny how criticizing The last Temptation of Christ was perfectly the Right thing to do, but say just one bad thing about the Da Cinci Code, and tons of "It just fiction so get over it" people come out and call you overly intolerant.Funny how those insecure in their own faith slam the movie saying they're concerned about those more ignorant than themsleves believing Brown's theories. Its laughable.
To: Luis Gonzalez
I think however, that you should believe in Him, not the Church. How can I not believe in the Church that Christ instituted?
362
posted on
05/30/2006 6:31:25 PM PDT
by
frogjerk
(ui)
To: Luis Gonzalez
2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits. Can. 1366 Parents, and those taking the place of parents, who hand over their children to be baptized or brought up in a non-Catholic religion, are to be punished with a censure or other just penalty. --
Nice try but there is no contradiction here. The first instance speaks in general to each person to freely choose or not to choose without coercion their beliefs. The second instance speaks to the faithful that are in full communion with the Catholic Church. They have already chosen their faith.
363
posted on
05/30/2006 6:38:41 PM PDT
by
frogjerk
(ui)
To: Luis Gonzalez
I already have actually, prove them fallible once, and the whole concept is destroyed.No, you haven't as I have just replied.
364
posted on
05/30/2006 6:41:58 PM PDT
by
frogjerk
(ui)
To: frogjerk
"...then, I ask, of what use to you is the objective infallibility of the Bible without an infallible interpreter?"There's my problem right there.
You just don't get it, do you?
I don't need an interpreter, I don't require an intermediary either.
I have a serious question...which Pope was wrong?
Are Catholics human persons or not?
Which Pope was wrong?
365
posted on
05/30/2006 7:59:32 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: frogjerk
Whch Pope was was wrong?
Love is when we join in prayer with heretics. John Paul II UUS:21, 05/25/1995
Heresy: is when we join in prayer with heretics. Piux XI, D.2199
366
posted on
05/30/2006 8:03:20 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: frogjerk
"The second instance speaks to the faithful that are in full communion with the Catholic Church. They have already chosen their faith."Freedom means freedom to change, and freedom for the children, as human persons, to change.
Or is Catholicism the rough equivalent of unretractable self imposed indentured servitude?
Freedom includes the ability to change one's mind.
367
posted on
05/30/2006 8:12:45 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
I don't need an interpreter, I don't require an intermediary either. If you don't need an interpreter then what is the meaning of John 6? Is it literal or figurative?
368
posted on
05/31/2006 6:15:21 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Freedom means freedom to change, and freedom for the children, as human persons, to change. Or is Catholicism the rough equivalent of unretractable self imposed indentured servitude? Freedom includes the ability to change one's mind.
One of the conditions of marriage in the Catholic Church is that if you have children they are to be brought up in the faith.
You are stating that Catholics married in the Church have the "freedom" to interpret the Sacrament of Marriage any way they want and to break oaths without penalty (excommunication, etc...)
You are stating that Catholic should have the freedom to believe what they want but still be able to be in full communion with the Catholic Church. This makes absolutely no sense.
As a Catholic, you have the "freedom" to change your mind and go another way from the doctrine of the Catholic Church but don't expect to be called a Catholic in full communion with the Church in the future.
369
posted on
05/31/2006 7:04:31 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
To: frogjerk
You need someone to explain what's written in plain English?
Try reading and comprehending on your own someday.
370
posted on
05/31/2006 2:12:31 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: frogjerk
"One of the conditions of marriage in the Catholic Church is that if you have children they are to be brought up in the faith."So, the children of Catholics are not "human persons" since their freedom of religion is taken from them by the fact that they are born of Catholic parents, and, according to Catholic Cannon Law, anyone who gives the right of freedom of religion to children is to be punished.
Then, since there is a punishment for the act of allowing one's children to freely choose their religion, Catholic Cannon Law clearly takes away freedom of religion.
So, John Paul was wrong, thus he wasn't infallible, and as such, the Doctrine of Infallibility is wrong.
Next...answer the question on #366.
Is it love when we join in prayer with heretics, or is it heresy to join in prayer with heretics?
And if John Paul II joined in prayer with heretics, was he guilty of heresy?
371
posted on
05/31/2006 2:34:01 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Catholic Cannon LawThere's a law covering Catholic Cannons?
What about Methodist Mortars?
Heretical Howitzers?
~()):~)>
To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
373
posted on
05/31/2006 5:12:13 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Zavien Doombringer
Braveheart, yes.. But the Patriot? That was a work of fiction while playing a fictional character in a historically correct timeline of events. The British never committed anything like the atrocities portrayed in the film. They never burned down a Church full of innocent civilians, for example.
To: cardinal4
Well, it's slanderous fiction. It's generally bad taste to make up bad things about real people who are revered by billions. What would people say if someone made a movie portrying MLK as a child molestor for example?
Nevertheless, I agree with you that it's stupid to make a big deal out of it. The Church should simply issue a statement pointing out the historical innacuracies and leave it at that.
To: zook
I don't think any British officer ever ordered innocents to be burned alive inside a church. I mean, it made for a good movie, but seriously! Yeah, that was way over the top. For me, it spoiled what was an otherwise good movie.
To: Luis Gonzalez
Yes, there are Orthodox Ordnance Ordinances.
~()):~)>
To: curiosity
Uh, I never said that the burning of a church was accurate, I said the time-line was accurate....
378
posted on
06/01/2006 6:59:29 AM PDT
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
To: Luis Gonzalez
You need someone to explain what's written in plain English? The Bible was written in plain English?
379
posted on
06/06/2006 7:22:06 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
So, the children of Catholics are not "human persons" since their freedom of religion is taken from them by the fact that they are born of Catholic parents, and, according to Catholic Cannon Law, anyone who gives the right of freedom of religion to children is to be punished.Great logic. So your kids choose what kindergarten to go to?
380
posted on
06/06/2006 7:23:16 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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