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New states ‘put strain on EU’s links with Moscow’
ft.com ^ | May 21 2006 | George Parker

Posted on 05/21/2006 12:54:17 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 05/21/2006 12:54:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Phantom Pains" - Maybe they would not have this issue if Russia faced up to its past, which unlike Germany and South Africa, or even Chile, it has refused to do. So, as they say, denial is not just a river in Egypt.


2 posted on 05/21/2006 1:00:10 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: The Cuban

Putin is not remorseful but proud of his "patriotic" KGB past. He does not celebrate the collapse of the Soviet Union, but laments it! He said, "whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart."


3 posted on 05/21/2006 1:04:34 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; ...
It looks that the mission of "New" Europe is to cut off Russia from the "Old" (Western) Europe's money and to cut off Western Europe from Russia's resources.

The result will be weaker Europe and Russia drifting into embrace of China and other Asian states. So the claims of many "New" Europeans that Russia is Asian country will become true.

4 posted on 05/21/2006 1:05:26 PM PDT by A. Pole (Orwell:He who controls the present, controls the past.He who controls the past, controls the future.)
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No, it looks like Russia's mission is to team up with socialist "Old Europe" to surround and strangle US ally New Europe and Russia's former Soviet vassals.


5 posted on 05/21/2006 1:08:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putin is not remorseful but proud of his "patriotic" KGB past. He does not celebrate the collapse of the Soviet Union, but laments it! He said, "whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart."

Actually Putin said, “Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.”

And

“History proves that all dictatorships, all authoritarian forms of government are transient. Only democratic systems are not transient. Whatever the shortcomings, mankind has not devised anything superior.”

6 posted on 05/21/2006 1:15:58 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Romanov; x5452

Ping


7 posted on 05/21/2006 1:16:42 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

Well, I and millions of others heartless bastards don't miss the EVIL EMPIRE at all!


8 posted on 05/21/2006 1:17:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: GarySpFc

How dare you put the actual quote in! Shame on you for being factual.


9 posted on 05/21/2006 1:24:16 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Really? Tells us what YOU did to end it? "Letters to the Editor" don't count.


10 posted on 05/21/2006 1:24:54 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

What did KGB Putin do to end it? Nothing! He was a loyal Soviet and now he is a Soviet apologist, just like his goosestepping sycophants!


11 posted on 05/21/2006 1:27:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I guess that big brick thing that ran hundreds through Germany and around Berlin was a wall of the mind.


12 posted on 05/21/2006 1:29:56 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Romanov
Liars are liars, be they communists or capitalists. They swim in the same cesspool.
13 posted on 05/21/2006 1:31:47 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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No, it looks like Russia's mission is to team up with socialist "Old Europe" to surround and strangle US ally New Europe and Russia's former Soviet vassals.

OK, so what if Russia/Germany FAIL to establish links like Baltic pipeline and Russia drifts toward China and Asia? Will it mean that the "New" Europe is rescued from this "strangling"?

14 posted on 05/21/2006 1:37:08 PM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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What makes you think Russia's alliances with Red China and Pink Europe are mutually exclusive? Putin's pipeline to China is already a done deal. Russia and China will continue to grow closer regardless of what happens in Europe.


15 posted on 05/21/2006 1:42:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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What makes you think Russia's alliances with Red China and Pink Europe are mutually exclusive?

They are not. But if the "New" Europe succeeds in building the cordon sanitaire (quarantine belt) it might be not worth the bother for Russia to try to keep links with Western Europe.

Putin's pipeline to China is already a done deal. Russia and China will continue to grow closer regardless of what happens in Europe.

It is not logical. Western Europe is closer (culturally too) and more attractive to Russia so long as their is no cordon sanitaire in between. On the other hand Russia and China share the long border and there is no danger of the third parties siphoning the precious resource. In addition Russia can supply Korea, Japan, India etc . The Asian market is virtually unlimited and harder to sabotage.

16 posted on 05/21/2006 1:53:23 PM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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Perhaps you can tell us what Lt. Col. Putin, KGB, did in 1990? And for whom did he work? Ah, that's right. Actual facts scare you.

What was that YOU did to end the evil empire?


17 posted on 05/21/2006 2:01:10 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov
He worked with the Stasi. He even earned the nickname "Stasi Putin" They gave him a medal. Now GasPutin employs former Stasi agents in his new Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to encircle Eastern Europe. Those are facts, tovarisch.


18 posted on 05/21/2006 2:04:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Yes, yes we all know Russia's plan to team up with China to place leverage on Europe is not Russia's fault, its Europe's fault for not meekly accepting their fate.


19 posted on 05/21/2006 2:06:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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What significant event did Putin do in 1990? Afraid to answer? Probably because it doesn't fit with your misstatements.

You could call Putin the anti-Christ as far as I'm concerned - he's not my president or the leader of my country.

I supported my country be heeding my president's call to defeat the evil empire by enlisting.

WHAT DID YOU DO TO END COMMUNISM? Berating the midnight7-11 clerk about the coming communist apacolypse and nobody will listen to you doesn't count.


20 posted on 05/21/2006 2:08:42 PM PDT by Romanov
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