Posted on 05/20/2006 2:17:00 PM PDT by Dubya
The link doesn't quote Bush.
One fact it is often the overlooked in the immigration debate is the fact that many of the illegals that come here have no interest in becoming American citizens. There always seems to be an assumption that anyone given the chance to become a citizen would. But it's just not true. For many the opportunity is to send money home, then return home someday with money.
It is particularly disheartening to see the effect of talk of amnesty has on legal immigrants. Many have told me that they spent over 10 years, legally obtaining citizenship. Now I looks to them, like the Senate and the president are making a mockery of their efforts.
A family of Mexico's citizens broke into our house while were gone. They have been eating our food, seeing my doctor on our dime (even had a baby), and running up huge bills for us. On the other hand they have been mowing the yard and cleaning the house.
My dilemma now, is do we work out a way for them to stay with all the back benefits of us as employers (maybe charge them $100 for this) or call the police and have them thrown out?
Sounds kinda stupid huh?
It gives me no pleasure to say that many problems are being kicked down the road - Social Security for one. Republicans and DemocRATs alike are failing us on the big issues.
Uh, yes, it does. The article, one of several which I linked, mentions the White House at least twice and what they want Congress to do. Read it again.
Good analogy.
Really? This apparently is a common misconception. According to Senator Jeff Sessions, who spoke on this subject in the Senate on May 18:
The President told me--and he has said publicly a half dozen times--he believes in a temporary worker bill. I suppose his lawyers, maybe they thought it must be temporary, right? Well, it is not so. Let's take the people who will be allowed to enter our country in the future under this bill. This bill say that they can come in as a guest worker, temporary, and they can come for 3 years and then they can extend and stay another 3 years.
So that means it is temporary, right? Wrong. All you have to do is read the language of the bill, and as Senator Kyl and Senator Cornyn have pointed out, and you discover that the first day the temporary workers are here they can apply for a green card through their employer. And what is a green card? It makes them a legal, permanent resident. Permanent resident, not a temporary guest workers.
Five years after that green card is issued, they are entitled to apply for citizenship, every single one of them that enter under this so-called temporary provision. That is the truth, but it is not the message we are being told.
Earlier today I thought about offering an amendment or a resolution to bar anyone in the Senate from using the phrase ``temporary guest worker'' when they talk about this bill because it is so bogus. It is an utter and total misrepresentation. As I just explained, and as the Senators have just explained, everyone coming in under this provision for the indefinite future get to become permanent workers. I challenge anybody to dispute that. They have the ability to become a legal permanent resident, and after that, they get to go and become a citizen. So it is just not a temporary worker program, it is permanent immigration. That is the deal.
I believe Jeff Sessions, who challenges you to dispute his claim. If you can prove that it is temporary, do so. Links please. Otherwise admit that you are wrong, and that Bush is pushing a massive permanent amnesty, and misrepresenting even in today's address what he is pushing.
You'll have to mention to me one president we've ever had who actually has followed the law with regard to immigration.
Huh. Last time I looked, the president spoke in favor of the bill authorized in the House. Let me look. Why yes. Yes he did.
President Bush has spoken in favor of the bill authored by Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.), known as the Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. Bush has already signed legislation appropriating more than $70 million to install new barriers and improve existing protective infrastructure along the border. This includes fencing as well as vehicle barriers and lighting to enhance border security. Source
I didn't bother to listen to Bush's radio address.
I wouldn't be surprised if anywhere in his speech he proclaimed "Si, se puede!"
I had not heard that and don't think Sessions is in the business of lying.
Yeah, we know Bush supported the House bill, and that is to his credit.
My point, which you are ignoring, is that if the Senate came up with a bill (such as McCain-Kennedy), that had no real enforcement provisions, but massive amnesty, Bush would sign it.
Do you disagree?
We have people who have invaded our country, are here illegally and those who want to send them back are extremists? Even here on a supposed conservative site there are large numbers of people who support the law breakers or at least attack those who want to enforce the laws already written.
Really? Then give his alleged quote regarding the "Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005."
Need cut and paste instructions?
I have no idea; I know the president wants something done about immigration and since it's an issue that has been kicked down the road by Congress and presidents for 25 years, I'm not about to blame the one man who is trying to make changes.
We have NO idea which plan he prefers. I don't know and neither do you.
Along with a tremendous debt,
but back to the issue of granting amnesty to aliens, I would probably support some sort of amnesty--as long as there were no onerous `conditions' attached: registrations, fees, fines, and so forth, that no expects to be enforced, thereby further eroding respect for our law.
I'm always surprised that people can seriously make the argument that "we cannot locate and deport millions of aliens"; however, they are quick to propose that we can find them to register, and pay fees and fines, to leave then come back, to put their right feet in and turn themselves about, etc.
On only one real condition: that/as long as there are real measures (I want to say "concrete") taken to enforce the sanctity of our southwestern border--prior to amnesty being granted--in order to prevent the flood of new "guests" into our country that would otherwise be sure to follow.
Since I don't see this happening, any real security and enforcement measures, I don't support any amnesty at all.
Hon, if you're having that much trouble reading from the links I gave, nothing I can cut and paste will help you.
Not Bush. There was even more enforcement under the administration of the wretched Bill Clinton.
You have no quote to cut and paste. You're blowing smoke.
I had not heard it either, it was buried in a long thread the other day.
Bush is obfuscating by stressing the supposedly rigrous requirements for citizenship, but not informing us that they get Green Cards on day one!
Being a citizen and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee and jury duty. A Green Card is the key that unlocks the treasure of being in the U.S.
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