Oregon: Activists Pushing To Relax Marijuana Enforcement

Northwest Meridian ^ | May 18, 2006

[mugs99]

I'd be interested in hearing from other libertarians that do.

The "struggle" is just doubt. When in doubt, I go with freedom. Heroin may be an evil scourge but, until heroin addicts violate my rights, I have no right to violate their right to use heroin.
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[catmanblack.]

And if someone got your child hooked, that would be okay with you? Sorry if they got my child hooked, I would hunt them to the ends of earth, not man or government would stop me, until I saw tneir rotting corpse!!! Violating someone else is rights, for a free and hopeful life is okay, just not yours. For drugs destroy hope, just as sure as hunger destroys life.

[mugs99]

And if someone got your child hooked, that would be okay with you?
Of course not.

Sorry if they got my child hooked, I would hunt them to the ends of earth, not man or government would stop me, until I saw tnier rotting corpse!!!
LOL!

Violating someone else is rights, for a free and hopeful life is okay, just not yours.
Nonsense! You can't punish someone for violating their own right...and that is what you're really talking about.

For drugs destroy hope, just as sure as hunger destroys life.
I do not have the right to stop you from doing stupid things. I only have the right to stop you from taking a right from me. That is not my law, that is the law as found in the Constitution.

If you want to legislate morality, throw out the Constitution and grovel at the knees of a tyrant.
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[PaxMacian]

"I see what drug abuse does to individuals and families everyday in my job. "Victimless?" I don't think so."

Have you ever considered that what you are seeing is
what the WOD does to individuals and families?
I wrote nothing about drug abuse nor use for that matter.
It is possession of an herb which I wrote about. Who is the
victim if one citizen chooses on his or her own time to stop
and enjoy the scent of a flower gifted from the garden of God?
Who is the victim if the guy smelling the flower in his home
has a bong in the other hand when the DEAmen knock down
his door and blow him to kingdom come thinking it is a gun?

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"Victim," is a state which reguires the subject to have had actions
taken upon them by an other which had unexpected adverse effects.
In the case of the user the effects are expected and self induced, therefore there is no victim. The continuation of a perpetual war upon
our own citizenry is, in addition to being unconstitutional, a victim making machine.

[mysterio]

Good. We don't need to waste valuable law enforcement resources busting people who use marijauna. A non crime if there ever was one.

[catmanblack.]

The Constitution was founded by people who had common sense, they knew the difference between bullsh-t and common sense. You are smart enough to know that all things are not equal. That goes for people and children. Some are born smarter than others, and to say it is okay to allow drugs is a form of madness. When you say it does no harm to me, to let others do their thing, you are talking about turning your head when others fall off a cliff, they did it, not me. Let the world go to hell maybe I can make a buck off of it. Rights are something cherished by most people, sometimes flaunted by others, but there is a cost to let certain things run a course you know is destructive.

[FlingWingFlyer]

"Victim," is a state which reguires the subject to have had actions taken upon them by an other which had unexpected adverse effects.

Ever walk into a household with four small children running around while mom is comatose in the bedroom from doing meth?

[PaxMacian]

Matthew 15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

"For drugs destroy hope, just as sure as hunger destroys life."

Fallacy! Drugs heal people all the time and bring hope and new life, daily.
Hunger is used by many that practice fasting to increase health and
strengthen constitution. Regardless, Marijuana is an herb with
moderate medicinal properties which was merely scheduled as a drug
by corporate pawns seeking to control the minds and bodies of their
chattel.

Romans 14: 2-3
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

[Wolfie]

Actually, I think Fox threatened us with decrim in order to get something on the immigration side.

[PaxMacian]

Meth is a creation of the WOD. Had herb remained legal your question would never have been asked. Moreover, I come from a family of eight kids and
often my mother was near comatose from shear exhaustion as all of us
ran around unattended. But, then would you have had the nanny state
split us up and raised by seperate groups of homosexual foster parents?
You would probably have locked her up too. Then when some of us got old
enough to leave foster care we would have come gunning for you. I hope
you enjoy your job, while you can.

[Dosa26]

But I confess I have moments of doubt and weakness when I think about, say, Heroin. Marijuana is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. But when it comes to heroin and the like, I find I have a strong temptation to be inconsistent.

Same here. In my opinion allowing cheap access to herion would be the garanteed death of many addicts, if not in body certainly in mind. We would also have the problem of them loafing about on the streets begging or breaking into homes to get the money for their drug, no matter how cheap. The only way I could see it happening (not that it ever will), would be to corral them into centers and segregate them from society. Give them mindless tasks to accomplish and instant access to treatment if they desire. Hardly a libertarian solution unless you could convince private organizations to take care of them, but the alternative of letting them run loose is worse...besides the fact they would get pushed into "open air" centers of the worst neighborhoods by the populace anyways. That happens in my city now. Any heroin addict or worse dealer that tries to move onto this side of town gets beat out of the neighborhood...literally. The crack dealers have no patience or mercy for them...personally I like it that way. They a better job than the police ever could.

[holyscroller]

"Portland is a total commie sewer" and the rest of the state is uneducated welfare deadbeats. U. of Oregon cranks out nothing but doped-up environmental extremists who then move and infest other states with their insane crusades. Wasington (my state) isn't much better, except we don't have quite as big a problem with career welfarists.

[dljordan]

Good for them! Get the state out of our private lives!

[catmanblack.]

Some drugs are used as needed, but turning the drugs such as meth, on the rest of the people has been destructive. If you use the Bible use all the Bible, drugs are called pharmi, as used in the bible it is sorcery, look it up without hesitation, it may save someone's life one day. Pray that people will not use drugs as a recreation, for if they do, it is a form of death. Those that sell death for a profit should reap, what they sell.

[Know your rights]

Billions are spent each year for federal, state and municipal law enforcement agencies and we still have crime. Murder, rape, robbery, etc. continues.

Almost two-thirds of murder cases result in an arrest ... what percentage of instances of drug use do you think result in an arrest? Laws against victimless acts are not only immoral but impractical.

[Know your rights]

I see what drug abuse does to individuals and families everyday in my job. "Victimless?"

Self-'victimization' is not the proper business of gevernment. And it's clearly immoral to prevent unmarried, childless persons from using a drug (including alcohol) because married parents might use drugs to a rights-violating degree.

[Know your rights]

When you say it does no harm to me, to let others do their thing, you are talking about turning your head when others fall off a cliff, they did it, not me.

Should adults not be free to make their own mistakes? Should we ban alcohol, junk food, and skydiving because they sometimes lead to self-harm?

[Know your rights]

breaking into homes to get the money for their drug, no matter how cheap.

Nonsense ... how often do you hear about winos breaking into homes to get the money for their cheap addictive drug?

[FlingWingFlyer]

Okay. So lets legalize drugs for unmarried people. Awesome idea. LOL!

(YAWN)

[Know your rights]

drugs are called pharmi, as used in the bible it is sorcery

Aspirin is sorcery?