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Why Are We In Iraq?
Mens News Daily.com ^ | January 29, 2005 | Raymond S. Kraft

Posted on 05/17/2006 6:49:36 PM PDT by FARS

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To: FARS

Why Are We In Iraq?



Weapons of Mass Destruction?


81 posted on 05/17/2006 8:56:52 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: Alberta's Child
This article reads like something I'd find in a high school newspaper.

Please supply a link to your high school newspaper so we can determine if you are merely a gainsayer who spouts cute put-downs for dramatic effect.

82 posted on 05/17/2006 9:00:35 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (I would never belong to any club that would have someone like me as a member.)
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To: dervish; Convert from ECUSA; Berosus

Fascinating. Not at all what I thought it was. Of course, I didn't read every word... :')


83 posted on 05/17/2006 9:01:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite; FARS

I do not say that the German Army and Navy had invasion plans drawn up. I'm sure they would have been resistant to the idea, like Rommel became resistant to Hitler at a certain point.

However, I believe that Hitler had the ambition in his mind, and that Nazi groups in the U.S. and South America were part of the early stages of that ambition. The SS would have been more aware of these things than the generals and admirals of Germany, as they were subversive plans.

And would they have needed really to have large invading armies if Hitler had gotten The Bomb first?

Footnote to the discussion of Russia applies to this discussion as well. I believe that the reason Hitler turned and attacked Russia was that he was frustrated by not having the sea power to carry an invading army of sufficent size to England. Far from being able to invade us, I think he couldn't really invade England either.

He made the mistake of attacking Russia. He should have driven for the Middle East first and gotten control of the oil, and then attacked the Ukrainian bread basket. But that's just my off the cuff impression.

I've never really studied this issue, but it interests me.


84 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:54 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

What date did we declare war on Germany?


85 posted on 05/17/2006 9:05:31 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Alberta's Child

Hi!

Does Chloe Sullivan edit your high school newspaper?


86 posted on 05/17/2006 9:07:25 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth

December 11th. (After Germany had declared war on the U.S.)


87 posted on 05/17/2006 9:10:09 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: FARS

My point remains: If the author can't be bothered to use accurate facts when discussing WWII, why should I believe he's being accurate when he discusses Iran?

I don't believe that's "splitting hairs".


88 posted on 05/17/2006 9:14:10 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

Thanks for the info that we officially declared war on Germany on December 11, just after Germany (Japan's ally) declared war on us.

However, there was no doubt which side our government was supporting in the war between England and Germany, what with all the aid Roosevelt was directing to the Allies before we officially came into the war.


89 posted on 05/17/2006 9:17:52 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: FARS
Oh, dear. I agree completely with the author's sentiments in the matter but his historical understanding is a bit strained. For one thing, during the years that the Soviet Union bought the West time the West - the U.S. - was ramping up industrial production to a fantastic level and sending much of it to the Soviets so that they could continue the fight. Lend-Lease sent the best gear we had, which was in the arena of main battle tanks sadly inadequate but in the arena of such basics as trucks absolutely vital and better than anything the Germans had.

That said, it is important to understand just how far militant Islamists really do resemble classical fascism, and here although I agree with the author I don't think he appreciates the real depth of that. When one examines the tenets of fascism - state control of the means of production, a militant population, a clearly identified in-group, a need to extend political control outside the native homeland, a regimentation, an indoctrination, a political and cultural purist elite, and a fanatical, suicidal drive to subdue any challenge to central authority, one sees what Mussolini could only dream of. This is radical Islam.

We are fighting fascism, the real thing, not the ridiculous fantasy-world phantom conjured up by the fever dreams of a self-justifying Left. It is armed, fanatical, and powerful. It has learned to use the weaknesses of a soft, secular, and self-delusional West to attain a power far out of proportion to its actual means. And those means are growing and may soon include nuclear weapons.

They know the U.S. will fight although their media bluster won't admit it. They know the Europeans won't. Woe unto Europe.

90 posted on 05/17/2006 9:19:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: FARS
"The premise of this article is this: ”There is a very dangerous minority in Islam… (that wants to do us harm)”

Tell me, how many Muslim countries was officially at war with the US before 911?

Answer off the top of my head 4 that I can remember. That isn’t a minority.

91 posted on 05/17/2006 9:20:04 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite; FARS

I think the inaccuracies in the opinion piece diminishes its usefulness in advancing the view that Iran and radical Islam represent a global threat to freedom.


92 posted on 05/17/2006 9:22:43 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Please explain.


93 posted on 05/17/2006 9:22:56 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite
I'm not being snotty.

Perhaps since you were so brutal with every mistake in the article, you won't mind a nitpick correction from me.

Instead of writing "I'm not being snotty," you should more correctly state that "I'm not intending to be snotty" or "I never intended to seem snotty" or some other variation. It is my opinion that most folks after reading your remarks would definitely regard them as "snotty," "snooty," "haughty," or some other term that communicates arrogance.

While I have to agree with you that the author made a number of incorrect assertions, it pains me to do so because I feel like I am aligning with a "know-it-all," "jerk," or some other expletive I probably should not write.

All that aside, I am sure you are not nearly as hard to be around as your posts indicate. I bestow upon you the benefit of my doubt in hopes that grace will be afforded me as well.

94 posted on 05/17/2006 9:24:44 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (I would never belong to any club that would have someone like me as a member.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Thanks for the advice. You've really given me a lot to think about, and I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to share your thoughts.


95 posted on 05/17/2006 9:32:02 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite
The Germans had a lot of plans, like the New York bomber, and V-2s launched at America from a tube towed behind a U-Boat

Don't be so quick to say they had none.

96 posted on 05/17/2006 9:35:17 PM PDT by usmcobra (Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite
Very simply:

The Jihadist or as you call them the Muslim Inquisition wasn’t a minority they were mainly the ruling class in most of the Middle East before 911. Just as in WWII we couldn’t single out or target just the Nazi’s from the whole country.

97 posted on 05/17/2006 9:35:49 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: patriciaruth

"Yes, the vote for war against Germany by Congress wasn't unanimous. One 90 year old congresswoman, a lifelong peace advocate, voted against the Declaration of War against Germany after Pearl Harbor."

So what's your point? Either it was unanimous or it wasn't. And she wasn't 90 when she voted against it. I think she was some kind of Quaker or something.


98 posted on 05/17/2006 9:37:05 PM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: usmcobra

Those are neither plans to invade nor to occupy the continental United States.

Germany couldn't have done it if they had wanted to. And they showed no inclination in wanting to.


99 posted on 05/17/2006 9:43:43 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Steve Van Doorn

To which four Muslim nations were you referring in your earlier post?


100 posted on 05/17/2006 9:46:15 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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