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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: RegulatorCountry

It appears that there may be 3-4% of the total population of the US which is Illegal. 11-12 million/300 million. That is consistent with your figure for NC.

These figures are bad enough and they do not need exaggeration for the purposes of argument.


3,001 posted on 05/18/2006 12:55:13 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: dirtboy
"Yes, mauled."

My aunt had a Cocka-Poo you remind me of. That little thing that it was a pit bull also. It mauled a Ford pickup one day...BLAME...reality mets furry Frisbee.

3,002 posted on 05/18/2006 12:57:09 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson; dirtboy
I am asking both of you to knock it off. Dirtboy, you were asked to not post to CWO. CWO, let dirtboy have the last word, and then you two should end it. Dirtboy, if you continue after CWO gives you the last comment, things are going to get nasty.
3,003 posted on 05/18/2006 1:01:59 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: CWOJackson
CWO, my side of this issue included the GOP House. You implied that it is an electoral loser. And you were wrong. If anything, Bush is hurting the chances of the GOP this year. If you wish to pretend otherwise, so be it. However, in the immortal words of Pete Townshend, I am not willing to join you in your exercise of

Put in your earplugs,
Put on your eyeshades,
You know where to put the cork!

3,004 posted on 05/18/2006 1:03:11 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Pukin Dog
I am asking both of you to knock it off. Dirtboy, you were asked to not post to CWO. CWO, let dirtboy have the last word, and then you two should end it. Dirtboy, if you continue after CWO gives you the last comment, things are going to get nasty.

Dog, who made you moderator? I've been here a long, long time. You have NO BUSINESS threatening me. You might recall that the mods told both you and I to not tangle. I would suggest you heed that and leave me alone.

3,005 posted on 05/18/2006 1:04:39 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: All
Lake was closed, caught no fish, I'm in a real bad mood, and this thread is getting hijacked by a bunch of personal battles, as if nobody read the damn thing. There were lots of timeouts and bannings yesterday, shall we have another go at it, or can we attempt a more civil debate?
3,006 posted on 05/18/2006 1:04:42 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
In the mean time, this is a copy of the letter I sent the White House by regular mail today. Would you consider writing one of your own and letting the President and letting him know who speaks for you? Also, I encourage you to find two more people to do the same thing...it's time the President didn't just hear from the special interests, but heard from the people who elected him.

Mr. President,

I trust that this communication finds you and the First Lady well.

I’d like to congratulation you on the fine speech you delivered the other evening. As I listened to your words, I could not help but compare their sincerity with the increasingly shrill rhetoric of those who have continually attacked you since taking office.

I know you are a man of conviction, a man who follows his principles and not polls; in short, a statesman, and not a politician. I am thankful for that in my daily prayers.

Least your staff become disheartened by the increasing volume and direction of the attacks, I would remind them that “we” elected you to lead us in this time of great peril. When I say “we”, I mean the common everyday Americans who simply go about our daily lives without becoming swept up by surreptitious political agenda or fear of our government. No matter how imperfect our current elected government is, it is “we” who chose it.

We did not elect the journalists who manufacture news and polls to suit their political agenda. Nor did we elect the single issue advocates or talk show hosts who market conservative values for profit. Although they each claim to know the secret to make our government perfect, they do not have the courage of their convictions to run for office and affect change. Instead they attempt to circumvent “our” will and the election process through demands, threats, cajoling, creating dissent and claiming to speak for “us”.

These people do not represent your base, any more then they represent “we” the people.

Stand firm and proud, you are doing a fine job.

God Bless.

3,007 posted on 05/18/2006 1:04:58 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: dirtboy
Just try me.
3,008 posted on 05/18/2006 1:05:21 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

In deference to previous instructions from the moderator, I will not post to you again. However, those instructions were to you as well.


3,009 posted on 05/18/2006 1:07:04 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: CWOJackson
I wrote the President last week, with much the same sentiments.
3,010 posted on 05/18/2006 1:07:43 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

3,011 posted on 05/18/2006 1:07:52 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: CWOJackson
I’d like to congratulation you on the fine speech you delivered the other evening. As I listened to your words, I could not help but compare their sincerity with the increasingly shrill rhetoric of those who have continually attacked you since taking office.

Just what we need...letters to the President encouraging him to remain blind to the will of the people.

3,012 posted on 05/18/2006 1:08:01 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Petronski
LOL. Thanks for that.
3,013 posted on 05/18/2006 1:08:36 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Vicomte13

Good post, and I essentially agree with your analysis.

I don't view the situation to be all that depressing, as I don't view the Republican Party as an effective advocate for conservatism in the first place. There were a few brief moments when the party showed some promise, such as after the 1980 and 1994 elections. But those times have been few and far between. And the reality is, conservatives have little voice in the affairs of the GOP. The conservative rhetoric is there to be sure, but the conservative results over time have been remarkably absent.

This immigration issue may well show itself to be *the* Waterloo moment for the GOP. Unstoppable force meets immovable object. We should remember, though, that American history has shown that new and better political movements tend to rise from the remnants of their predecessors. It happened when the Whigs faded into obscurity, and it will probably happen again some time in the future.

The key issue in my view is to not allow conservatism's star to be inseparably tied to the fortunes of the GOP. There are other political alternatives and strategies that conservatives can adopt. As one of FR's few Democrats, I obviously have a very different view of what strategies conservatives should be employing.

My point here is not to try to convince conservatives to join the Democratic party. It ain't gonna happen, and I'm not going to waste the bandwidth explaining why being a Democrat has it's practical advantages. My point is that other political alternatives and strategies will present themselves given time.

Have faith, folks. Conservatism isn't dead. It's not even in bad shape. As Rush noted in his monologue today, it's the political paradigms that matter.


3,014 posted on 05/18/2006 1:10:24 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Very good post, thanks for the view from a different objective. You probably have days as well that you wonder why you are a Democrat.


3,015 posted on 05/18/2006 1:11:29 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Pukin Dog
Excellent.

Several chapters of the CWO association have adopted a campaign to get people to write the President and let him know that "we" support him. The goal includes each person to find two more people to write him as well. It's been picking up steam.

It's time that the President heard from the people who elected him.

3,016 posted on 05/18/2006 1:11:46 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Pukin Dog

The lake was "closed"? All of it? Is thi some Army Corp of Engineers thing?


3,017 posted on 05/18/2006 1:12:17 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Have some!


3,018 posted on 05/18/2006 1:12:34 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: CWOJackson

We're painfully aware of that problem. There have been numerous attempts at rectification in the past several years, most recently by Sue Myrick. The problem we have in NC is, despite being a reliable "red" state at the national level, our state itself is governed by Democrats, and has been since Reconstruction, with the same battling factions actually preceding any modern political party and even the country itself. It's fairly entrenched, obviously, much to the frustration of the conservative majority in the state. We're working on it, and have been for a while now.


3,019 posted on 05/18/2006 1:13:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: CWOJackson
It's time that the President heard from the people who elected him.

Such as the 52 percent of Republicans who are opposed to him on this issue?

3,020 posted on 05/18/2006 1:13:25 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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