BORDER TO BLOCK BASE
Posted on 05/15/2006 5:14:48 PM PDT by Leisler
You had to dig back how many years to try and make your point? About 212 years? LOL!
Am I to assume your point is that all Americans should be descended from the same ancestors, and speak the same language, and even PROFESS THE SAME RELIGION, same principles of government, etc.? Let me guess, you're a Christian, white supremist? ;)
Apparently your fondness for Bush is over-riding common sense - either that or you are too young to appreciate the cyncism of our "leaders", and their previous betrayals.
The only thing Bush proposed was 6000 guardsmen who WILL NOT do law enforcment, just support work for the border patrol. He also promised to hire slightly pass the level he is already authrorized to hire (4000, plus 2000).
In return, he wants legalization of 12 to 20 million illegals, AND he wants them to be given citizenship through a minor process of application and nearly automatic approval. In addiiton, he wants 100s of thousands, perhaps millions, of new guest workers with shiny new ID cards.
This is pathetic, and a non starter for a serious proposal. Bush gave vauge nods to wanting more beds (no numbers), concern about documentation (no specific remedies), better enforcement against employers (no specific actions), no control of VISAs, etc.
Bushs speech is in the vien of every unserious politician, from Pelosi to Reid to him: pronounce "support" for vauge goals without specifics. Leave "touchy" issues vauge (what is a high tech fence and how much of it is he talking about).
Bush is trash talking, because he has alread met with RINOS and Frist and Reid and agreed to McVain-Kennedy's BS with token border enforcment.
Wake up lad, this is a paper thin con...
Perhaps this will help you both. ;) 
Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. Bravo!
Then you are officially part of the problem, against the conservative movement, and you must want the democrats to take over, raise taxes, kneel and scrape in the face of the terrorists, open the border, and destroy the economy the way clinton did by 99. That's what you are doing by not supporting Republicans in November. A protest non-vote by conservatives is exactly what the democrats want. I'm not calling you names, I'm just telling you like it is. I dislike a lot about the Republicans and their gutless nature the past few years, but I'm still voting for them because even as weak and gutless as many of them are, they're still a LOT better than the liberal democrats. It's just that simple. But you gotta do what you gotta do. Someday, you'll regret it though.
Amen. That post of yours says it all. For all his faults and his almost liberal domestic policy, Bush is head and shoulders better for the country than kerry or gore or anyone else in the democrat party right now. I can't think of a single leading democrat that would be a better President and do what's needed compared to Bush, inspite of his faults and flaws and weak domestic policies.
I have "technical issue" with wait in line.
What line? Will the person who applys at the embassy in Itally have his position recorded as some form of master line?
How about the embassy in Itally vs the embassy in Japan? Iraq? South Africa? Nicaragua? Venezuella? Argentina? Holland? (you get the picture)
How many family members will they be able to bring? 4th cousins? 5th cousins?
Under the plan, illegal aliens become legalized and get to stay for the rest of their lives.
You heard correctly.
What happens if we enact the guest worker program WITHOUT any of the earned citizenship amnesty?
Seems self deportation will happen to a large portion of the 11 million.
After all the new id rule will be problematic for employees and employeers.
guest worker program is NOT linked to amnesty portion of the issue. You can have one without the other.
By fondness for Bush? Good Lord have you been reading my posts? I've been called a Bush-bot and a Bush-hater different times by different people right here on FR! Some of you guys are really a little nuts in the head. :)
You would think that with the technology we have that every application would be nicely recorded with all information, time and date of application.
But, since nothing seems to go as expected I doubt it will ever work as we think it should. Maybe we should have another "Ellis Island".
The dictionary might disagree.
A class of people is being absolved of crime, illegal presence in the USA, the main penalty for which is having to leave the country.
Yeah, get to stay if they pay taxes, pay the fines, and have no criminal records, which a significant number of illegals in the country have. So it's hardly a cake walk. Read the stats on illegals and you'll see that. Far more of them have criminal records than is admitted by the advocates for them. And that would prohibit ALL of them from taking advantage of any kind of worker program. The ones who don't have criminal sheets would only be able to stay if they register, obey the rules, and PAY TAXES, and that's by biggest beef. There is a $70 billion a year shortfall nationally for what the illegals get from the system and don't pay because so few of them pay taxes. If all of them were paying taxes, that would take a serious bite out of that and ease the burden on the healthcare and education systems, even moreso when you consider the ones that would be deported for non-compliance. So it's not as cut and dry as you want to make it sound.
"Bush just destroyed the Republican Party tonight."
You just destroyed your credibility with that statement.
I think under the circumstances, dealing with a very high pitched, emotional issue, that was a lose-lose situation for him from the git-go, I thought he did a heck of a job.
Of course it's not a slur. It's a song! Get over it.
What did you people want from him? Did you want him to announce that we are going to nuke Mexico? I thought he did a doggone good job on an issue that is a lose-lose situation for him.
When they recently desecrated the American flag, and made claims to this land as their own, they were no longer sojourners or foreigners passing through the land, but they had at that point become invaders.
Your scriptures about Abraham might be fitting if you were to argue that God intended to give the Southwestern United States to the descendants of Montezuma as an inheritance. That appears to be the desire of many of the illegal aliens who have recently come north.... To claim this land... MY Land... as their inheritance.
Funny thing, but universally, and I mean with no exception that I can recall so far on this thread, all these extreme, off the wall truly asinine suggestions have come from those critical of the majority who refuse to buy the "we can't deport them all" line.
They can't refute the simple logic of what's fundmentally the most important thing, so they must put words in our mouths.
The irony is that of all the things said on this thread, these are the lines that the losers, the "progressives", and DU will pick as typical of the average Freeper.
Cute, no?
Well, been fun, not really, but. Continued posting solves nothing. Previous posting solved nothing. Though since I joined here this is the first time I've been called a Bush-bot and a Bush-hater in the same night. Gotta love people who put emotion before rational thought and fling labels at people they don't even know. Have a good week all. Do your part and defeat a democrat in November. :) Nite.
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