Posted on 05/15/2006 5:14:48 PM PDT by Leisler
There are plenty more poor people in Latin America, China, Africa,...unless you're xenophobic or something. ;^)
It takes a specially perverse and infantile mind to equate being taken home with being transported to the Nazi killing ovens...
It was good to here some of the right points being raised, albeit not enough of them. Border security and employer verification.
I was with him up to this point ... "What I have just described is not amnesty"
Sure sounded like warmed-over amnesty to me.
Amnesty is letting someone who committed a crime not pay the pnealty. The pnealty for being here illegally is normally deportation. ANY process that deviates from that is, yes, amnesty.
$2000 is not a fine it's more like a processing application fee. How about $5,000 per year fine?
How about *NOT* letting the illegals get a path to citizenship so directly, but instead put them at the back of the line, say 10 years back?
How about makng it be 10 years of residency and nothing for those who are here less?
Better yet, how about *NO* path to legalization for illegal aliens, except via the *SAME VISA* programs available to others? How about ending hidden amnesties?
Any special deal, yes, is amnesty.
"Fifth, we must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one Nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. English is also the key to unlocking the opportunity of America."
Sounds good but I was waiting to hear:
"...and therefore I am supporting new legislation that will make English the official language of the United States. All government services will be provided in English only and citizenship will require proficiency in the English language."
oh well.
Dang, those pesky facts always prevent me from being invited to the Bush-Bashing party. ;)
Thank you. :) An oxymoron would have been to replace "Republican" in my tag with "Democrat". :)
And you're wrong. Late in Clinton's adminstration, the border patrol was deporting about 1.5 million per year. At that time (as best I can find numbers) the budget for the ENTIRE INS was around $4.2 billion.
Do you really think that the US was a multicultural nation from the very beginning?
John Jay, in Federalist Paper #2, states:
Americans are "one united people...a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs".
Mr. Jay, incidentally, was the first Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, was President of the Continental Congress, US Ambassador to Spain & France, and co-wrote the "Federalist Papers" with Madison & Hamilton.
Decisions, decisions. Who shall I believe?
Chena, or John Jay, who was, after all, present at "the birth of this nation".
Did you listen to the speach? Tell me in detail what in that speach will drive his numbers down, considering that 70% or more of the American people want all those things that he said, and more? It is a minority of people in this country who oppose what he said. Most conservatives have been clammoring for the things he put in that speach. Representative Tancredo, possibly the strongest border security anti-illegal immigrant conservative Republican in the Congress strongly approved of this speach. That kinda says it all. Please explain how you figure this speach will drive Bush's approval down and not up, considering most Americans WANT the things he is proposing? That defies logic.
But please do not let me ruin your celebration of law breaking. Hmm...people do not toe the line so we just move the line. I wonder hmm....what will happen next? HELLO? No one will ever take our immigration laws seriously. In fact, why should they. Equal protection for lawbreakers should be their battle cry. Maybe I'll join. I don't like the speed laws as well as some other things. I really don't like the tax laws. This might get fun.
"Second, to secure our border, we must create a temporary worker program."
This is pure spin, the one is not dependent on the other.. he is purposely trying to tie them together.. which means, he does not intend to secure the border without a guest worker program.
Well, first off, the Posse Comitatus Act is to prevent US troops from engaging in civilian matters against American citizens. Securing our borders from foreign invaders is by Constitutional definition, IS the function of our military.
They ain't rounding up teenagers hagning out at the local joint on a friday night, or FReepers in PJ's complaining about our president.
Nope they should be on our border repelling invaders. That is first and foremost why we we have them.
Tancredo didn't sound very positive about it on O'Reilly. Neither did King of NY.
Hon, if it's good enough for the biggest border hysteric of them all, Lou Dobbs, it's good enough for me.
If the Republicans can forget your vote in November because of this speach Bush gave, then you are no conservative. Bush said 90% of the things that the conservative base has been screaming for when it comes to the border. Tancredo supports this speach and I challenge you to come up with someone who is more pro-border security / anti-illegal immigrant than Tancredo. If you are saying you won't vote Republican because of this speach then you're either a liberal, a troll, or both. But either way, it's a ridiculous statement. No real conservative would just stay home and not vote in November because of this speach. That's as bad as turning around and voting for a liberal democrat.
... it is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border.
O.K. So on the one hand, President Bush touts the fact that under his administration, it was possible to round up and deport 6 million illegal aliens. Then he says that it's not realistic to do what he just bragged had been done.
If you can round up and deport six million in five years, you can process eleven million in ten years with the same level of effort.
Build a wall first, and stiffen penalties for repeat offenders. These measures will reduce the incentive to cross the border.
Then get to work with the deportations. I'll understand if it takes a decade.
I am NOT celebrating lawbreaking. I have been an advocate for border security, and an advocate for stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and illegal aliens (I mention BOTH because some here have actually even fought about that terminology). What I am celebrating is someone trying to make positive changes that will help to solve the problem. I'm just not willing to jump on the "damn him if he does", and "damn him if he don't" Donner party caucus.
I'm thankful to know that of all the Republicans I know, I only meet the far-out-there-whacked-out-crowd-of-unappeasables, here on FR. God is good. :)
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