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Illegal Immigration Counter Protesters Detained
OrbusMax ^ | 5/4/06 | SteveB

Posted on 05/04/2006 8:53:59 AM PDT by StevenB

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To: StevenB

Which would you rather push around, five or five thousand??


121 posted on 05/04/2006 12:52:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

That's how I read it too.


122 posted on 05/04/2006 12:56:24 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Stashiu
"I will always exercise my God-given and Constitutionally protected right to self defense. Better to be arrested than declared dead on the scene."

"I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6."

123 posted on 05/04/2006 1:03:33 PM PDT by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: untrained skeptic

Please see my post 120. It is neither expressly legal, nor illegal, to open carry in this state.


124 posted on 05/04/2006 1:04:52 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I invented "patty on patty technology.")
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To: clawrence3

>Actually, BOTH citizens and illegal aliens have the exact >same Constitutional right to free speech and to peaceably >assemble. I see what you mean though about those who >wrote the Bill of Rights denied those to slaves, for >instance.

Yeah, maybe the also have rights to VOTE?


125 posted on 05/04/2006 1:10:03 PM PDT by b2stealth
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Thanks Ern. Like I said above:"You have the right to open carry without a permit, but in cases like this, they could arrest you or ask you to leave the area for "menacing" or some such thing as it could be seen as initmidation. I think that is what you're getting at."

My understanding is that the guy wasn't open carrying or menacing, someone just noticed something like the bottom of the holster peeking out from under his jacket and reported it. I can sympathize with the position this puts the police in, but I tend to be pretty militant in my belief in the 2nd. I believe the officers should have assessed that these people were not a threat and let them remain if they were not. Maybe they got beligerant when confronted. Maybe they didn't cooperate when asked for their CCWs. We don't know yet. We have one side of the story and barely that. If they did, then I agree with what the officer(s) did. If Seattle Police policy under Nickels and Girlekowsky is to detain and intimidate all CCW permit carriers, then they need to be slapped hard on this one.

126 posted on 05/04/2006 1:10:44 PM PDT by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: b2stealth

Illegal aliens do NOT have the right to vote (yet ; )


127 posted on 05/04/2006 1:11:52 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: mlc9852

Sooo . . . to you, does that mean that any, say, illiterate, tubercular, destitute Russian who can scam his way onto a plane ought to be allowed to walk off at JFK airport without so much as a second glance from us? So he can find a better life over here?

And some Egyptian moslem with a PhD in languages coming to work for the DoD translating documents from Arabic to English ought to be denied a visa?

C'mon, guy, turn on the thought processes. You've established a false dichotomy, that all immigrants are good unless they are moslems, in which case they are bad. I'm no fan of Islam, but I'm not willing to make that kind of false choice.

APilgrim


128 posted on 05/04/2006 1:12:58 PM PDT by APilgrim (How'd we grow up to be this way?)
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To: clawrence3
"Illegal aliens do NOT have the right to vote (yet ; )"

With the lack of will or resources to enforce current immigration laws; what's going to stop illegal aliens from voting? Because it's a felony?
129 posted on 05/04/2006 1:15:41 PM PDT by Rick Deckard
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To: clawrence3
Anyone inciting a riot, regardless of immigration status, should be arrested.

so you are saying that these guys that are law abiding citizens are immigrants. And what in that article said that they were inciting a riot?

130 posted on 05/04/2006 1:17:37 PM PDT by ziggy_dlo ("Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country" JFK)
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To: Rick Deckard

I'd rather spend $2 billion on voting fraud than a wall along the entire border.


131 posted on 05/04/2006 1:18:51 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: ziggy_dlo

I am not saying they are immigrants or inciting a riot.


132 posted on 05/04/2006 1:20:26 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Point out to me where it says in our Constitution that someone who is a Law Breaking Illegal Alien enjoys the same Constitutional Rights that a Citizen of these United States do.

If you are not a Citizen you do not enjoy the same Rights a Citizen does.

Never Have

Never will

oh and yes you're right. Slaves were not citizens, they were property and thus did not enjoy constitutional protections until they were freed.


133 posted on 05/04/2006 1:21:14 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: APilgrim

Good luck with some here who are clearly irrational.


134 posted on 05/04/2006 1:21:29 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

>Illegal aliens do NOT have the right to vote (yet ; )

So if they have the _same_rights_ under constitution.. why they can't vote?


135 posted on 05/04/2006 1:21:59 PM PDT by b2stealth
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To: clawrence3
Not all Muslims are terrorists, you realize that, right?

Sure, some of them are not old enough to put on a bomb vest, and some of them just don't have the guts.

Islam is evil if it is practiced "by the book"

136 posted on 05/04/2006 1:22:59 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement. - Reagan)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I never said that Law Breaking Illegal Aliens enjoy all of the same Constitutional Rights that Citizens of these United States do - voting, for instance - that being said, Law Breaking Illegal Aliens enjoy the same Constitutional Right to PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE that Citizens do. Get it?


137 posted on 05/04/2006 1:23:28 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: b2stealth

See my post # 137.


138 posted on 05/04/2006 1:24:18 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Centurion2000

Good - we are at least making some progress ; )


139 posted on 05/04/2006 1:24:43 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

So the right to PEACABLY ASSEMBLE trumps the Right of a CITIZEN to Keep and Bear arms?

That's what I was getting at.

Get it?


140 posted on 05/04/2006 1:24:57 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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