Posted on 04/27/2006 6:26:15 PM PDT by spanalot
"So I assume you agree that we should have beat back the Russians and avoided the Cold War?"
We should have defeated the Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Polish Communists (and the Poles know which Soviet general I'm talking about). Your fellow Ukrainians would have fought us as they did in the Korean War under the command of Ukrainian General Kozhedub (a man responsible for thousands of American deaths in the Korean War) and just like the Ukrainian SA-2 experts who shot down our planes (after graduating from the Kharkiv, Odessa, and Kiev Air Defense Academies) in Vietnam.
Let's see your condemnation of these Ukrainian Communists! Ya see, everyone has condemned the Soviets but you want only to condemn the Russian-portion of the Soviets - ergo you support Ukrainian, Georgian, etc, communists and refuse to condemn their behavior and complicity in Soviet crimes against mankind. Shame on you.
I never argued that we had the political WILL, I said many times. I only argue we had the ABILITY. And I argue Patton knew better than YOU what our cababilites were at that time!
"And what better reason to attack than to save the 40,000 POW hostages the Russians took."
Surely you're not saying the Soviets took 40,000 American POWS....
No we did not have the ability as others have shown on this thread using facts and figures which describe the force arrangements within Europe. USSR tank production was equal to ours at the end and they were better tanks and all in Europe.
How could we have done what the Nazis were incapable of doing when we had fewer men and would have had to drive through the Soviets all the way back to Moscow? It took almost a year for us to drive the Germans back into Germany and they only used 1,370,000 men in France. There were almost three times that many Germans going against the USSR which used 5.5 million against them.
Patton was wrong. And I love the guy. But even he could not conjure up military forces out of nowhere. Remember when he said it was only important that HE know when he was to be taken seriously? This was one of those times.
He was claiming 50,000 earlier. Someone must have freed 10,000 between posts.
I had my broken leg mended there in 1972 after some 'Rad
U-turned his moebelwagen in from of my motorcycle.
Don't remember much about it except that the nurse who attended me was a captain and scary.
There are actually about 79,000 Americans still MIA from WWII, however this includes ALL theaters of war and those (a large number) lost at sea. The number for those who may have been trapped behind the Soviet lines after the war are small and by no means approach 50,000 or 40,000. However, if spanalot meant there were 50,000 or 40,000 of Stepan Bandera's allies he would be closer to the truth since a large number of Germans captured remained in camps in the Soviet Union until long after the end.
"Nice source.
The same guy exposed Bush's links to the nazis.
http://www.john-loftus.com/
BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED"
Did you actually read the archival documents? There is the possibility that Bush's ancestors had some financial interests with the Nazis - that in no way means he supported them and should no way mean that either President Bush are guilty of the crimes of their fathers. There were quite a few prominent families in the States that had financial ties to Germany during that period (the Kennedy's for one).
Loftus does have the respect of Jewish holocaust historians and what he has written regarding Stepan Bandera has been backed up by eye-witnesses and survivors (as posted on here).
It's your choice - believe the sources that refute the Bandera crimes that come from the very same Ukrainian nationalist organizations that engaged in them or believe the Israeli and American investigators, backed up by eye-witnesses, confessors, and survivors of Bandera's crimes.
FRankly, believing what those Ukrainian nationalist organizations say is about as accurate as believing OJ Simpson when he says he didn't kill his wife.
Patton has always been a hero of mine, as he saved my Dad and thousands of other troops. My Dad was a "Battered Bastard of Bastogne", 101st Airborne.
When Von Paulus surrendered at Stalingrad his forces contained about 110,000 men. 400,000 had been killed by the Soviets. Occasionally the History Channel interviews survivors of this battle.
Patton IS a true American hero - NEVER comprimised his integrity and stood by his beliefs even when it meant he was going to be pilloried.
'More important than the lack of political will for such an invasion was the lack of a political REASON to do so."
Reasons?
The Russians invaded our ally Poland,
In the two genocide famines of 1921 and 1932, they killed more than all soldiers killed in WWI.
They took 40000 Ally POW hostage.
They were exporting terrorism throughout the globe and destroying western civilization - something which took 2000 years to develop.
"How could we have done what the Nazis were incapable of doing when we had fewer men"
Im going out on the limb here but I'll guess THE A BOMB!
""I think Patton was right. Do you think he was wrong?" "
"I think Patton's sentiment was right, but the practicality of it was wrong."
What is it with amnesia around here - everyone forgets we had the bomb for 4 years before the Russians stole the secret.
We had NO bombs left as you have been repeatedly informed.
Poland was NOT our ally when Hitler and Stalin divided it. So that reason has no validity.
We certainly would not invade because of PAST famines or atrocities.
Our people wouldn't even support joining WWII until we were ATTACKED.
There were no 40,000 American POWs held by the Soviets.
Rather than exporting terrorism the Soviets were fighting the common enemy.
This is getting stupider and stupider and only testifies to your cluelessness.
What next "Because Stalin wasn't a nice guy."
Heh. Perhaps Uncle Joe did have a hand in it - Uncle Joe Kennedy, that is... :0)
You and Romanov keep making a liar out of Patton. He asked for two bombs to get rid of the Russian threat and guess what - we had them.
"Chuck Hansen's great book U.S. Nuclear Weapons: The Secret History doesn't explicitly go into this question, but it does note that at the end of 1945 the U.S. owned a total of two atomic bombs, both Fat Man plutonium bombs. (This design became the standard U.S. nuclear weapon until into the 1950s.) He also notes that the weapons were short-lived, so it is possible that a) there were more than two bombs in the inventory when the war ended and even that b) the bombs on hand on December 31 had been assembled after August 15. "
"There is the possibility that Bush's ancestors had some financial interests with the Nazis"
You better watch yourself Romanov - with all the lobbying you do on the behalf of the Kremlin, this might be taken the wrong way.
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