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04/20/06 FOX Poll: Gloomy Economic Views; Bush Approval at New Low
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Posted on 04/20/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT by Grendel9

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To: daysailor
Another would be that W sincerely believes that a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for those here now is what's best for the nation.

That may well be true. He's just wrong. I didn't say he was lying.

141 posted on 04/20/2006 12:23:11 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: slowhand520
There appears to be a fundamental disconnect between the actual performance of the US economy (which is quite superior by any reasonable historical standard - unemployment, productivity, core inflation, GDP growth) and the average American's perception of it.

Colored by the endless drumbeat of negative news from the MSM, and confronted with relatively high gas prices (though not all that high, historically and accounting for inflation), many Americans really do think the economy, well, sucks. They may have a good job, a nice car, a home, etc, but they are convinced that most other people aren't doing all that well. Although this situtation is manifestly unfair, I still blame Bush for the failure to effectively communicate the truth - on TV, on radio, on the internet - every damned day, if necessary.

I also think the immigration issue has hurt his standing with core Republican voters - and some Democrats as well. No matter: if people really want to see what a bad economy looks like, let them vote Democrat. And, after huge tax increases, when the economy turns to fecal matter, the Dems will of course blame the Republicans, with the Media applauding in unison behind them.

142 posted on 04/20/2006 12:23:53 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Dane

People that come to this country from another illegally, are not, by definition, immigrants. But they ARE by definition, criminals.


143 posted on 04/20/2006 12:24:28 PM PDT by mutley
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To: blaquebyrd
Agreed. Immigrants aren't the enemy, illegal immigrants are.

Well actually you make immigrants the enemy.

Look at Ellis Island. 20 million people went through there and all they had to do was take a health exam and show some rudimentary English skills and about 1% were rejected. It is definately not the jumble of immigration laws we have now.

But what the hey you would rather be silent about the liberal establishment.

144 posted on 04/20/2006 12:26:45 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: andy58-in-nh
There appears to be a fundamental disconnect between the actual performance of the US economy (which is quite superior by any reasonable historical standard - unemployment, productivity, core inflation, GDP growth) and the average American's perception of it.

That is because the "traditional" economic metrics measure macroeconomic phenomena, and capture macroeconomic trends.

Individuals, i.e., voters, however, are individuals. And they live within a multiplicity of microeconomies with varying degrees of correlation, or lack thereof, to the macroeconomy.

145 posted on 04/20/2006 12:26:54 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Dane

Get back to me when a Christian Mexican becomes a homicide bomber.




You must be pretty stupid and naive.


146 posted on 04/20/2006 12:27:41 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Grendel9
Anyone of Bush's advisors can tell him he'd gain at least 40 points just by closing that *#^%$^U border! WHAT is GWB not understanding?!

Isn't it obvious even to the most loyal Bush supporters that his agenda is to do allow as many illegals (Mexicans) as possible, as has been agreed upon, to enter our country before the sh*t hits the fan and he or his replacement will have no choice but to close the border or face civil unrest that could shake the foundations of our republic!!!

147 posted on 04/20/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Dane
"Get back to me when a Christian Mexican becomes a homicide bomber."

So you can guarantee that all of the untold millions of invaders who have illegally crossed our borders are Christian Mexicans? Hell you can't even guarantee that they are Mexican. No matter how much you wish it weren't so we are sovereign nation with borders and laws, although not enforced, against illegally crossing them. What's wrong with standing in line and obeying our laws? Why is this whole legal concept so hard for you, Vicente and Bush to grasp?

148 posted on 04/20/2006 12:28:14 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: TexasTaysor

HIGH GAS PRICES = BAD NUMBERS FOR BUSH


149 posted on 04/20/2006 12:28:24 PM PDT by standingfirm
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To: andy58-in-nh
To be honest all this anti-Bush sentiment comes from Bush fatigue. I suffer from it as well. I think people are just tired of the constant negativity, constant Bush bashing from the dems and the media and people are just throwing up their hands and saying "to hell with all of them". This poll also shows congress' approval at 25%. I strongly believe history will treat Bush much kinder than present day
150 posted on 04/20/2006 12:29:26 PM PDT by slowhand520
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To: mutley
People that come to this country from another illegally, are not, by definition, immigrants. But they ARE by definition, criminals.

Semantics. Actually they are by definition immigrants since they left their home country in search of a better life.

As for criminal, if a guy puts on a roof, but is not union, that would be criminal in some states.

Is that state wrong in it's law?(BTW, the criminal non-union guy can also be a native born American named Smith)

151 posted on 04/20/2006 12:33:34 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
"Well actually you make immigrants the enemy."

No my friend I'm on their side. They followed the law and earned their citizenship. They didn't buy it like this phony bill would have them do. They respected the laws of the country they yearned to be citizens of and I welcome them as fellow citizens.

152 posted on 04/20/2006 12:33:48 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: varon

"Isn't it obvious even to the most loyal Bush supporters that his agenda is to do allow as many illegals (Mexicans) as possible, as has been agreed upon, to enter our country..."

If you stop right there and re-phrase it you might find it more acceptable:

Isn't it obvious that Bush's agenda is to help America by taking advantage of the vast pool of affordable labor at our border? How much of the GDP growth and productivity increases we've seen are directly attributable to this farsighted strategy?


153 posted on 04/20/2006 12:35:14 PM PDT by daysailor
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To: Dane

You know, I remember you.

You are pretty sarcastic and personal, launching ad hominem attacks instead of discussing issues.

People like you give conservatives a bad name. You may present your views as coonservative, but your attitude is more like that of a Democrat.


154 posted on 04/20/2006 12:35:40 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: slowhand520
You're exactly right. There's many that will find something they don't like and call the President a failure. Just on this board it's immigration, gas, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc but the reality of it is, it's all gas. If people were paying $1.50 a gallon nothing else would matter because they now can afford the 64oz Big Gulp instead of the 32oz.
155 posted on 04/20/2006 12:35:52 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: blaquebyrd
No my friend I'm on their side. They followed the law and earned their citizenship. They didn't buy it like this phony bill would have them do. They respected the laws of the country they yearned to be citizens of and I welcome them as fellow citizens.

Good, but why the animus towards immigrants doing good things, such as building buildings or picking food.

BTW, when are you going to leave the keyboard and pick up a hammer or pick a carrot?

156 posted on 04/20/2006 12:37:13 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: ZULU
You know, I remember you.

You are pretty sarcastic and personal, launching ad hominem attacks instead of discussing issues.

Look in the mirror dude.

157 posted on 04/20/2006 12:38:25 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Did they let you out for the whole day, Dane, or just a few hours?


158 posted on 04/20/2006 12:40:09 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: balch3
FOX is being taken over by the Left.

Hehe. Yeah, that's it.
160 posted on 04/20/2006 12:42:12 PM PDT by kenth
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