Posted on 04/14/2006 2:42:07 PM PDT by Eaglewatcher
So, you have the other poster claiming: "the fact is enforcement mechanisms would be at the individual state level and there is no mechanism for them to abuse individual taxpayers under the fairtax much less destroy them."
You, on the other hand, claim that the states will be "quite effective" policing every tax-free transaction that every American can potentially carry out with every other American with cash, a wink and a nod.
You will have as much luck shutting down the black market as the Prohibition-era U.S. Government had keeping America alcohol-free.
The only way to put the black market in "a jail cell" would be to create a police state that would make the Soviet Union seem like a Libertarian Party convention.
Where do you think such a "vast" black market will sp[ring up from ... and how do you claim they'll stay out of jail for long enough to seel all their stuff???
Guess you really haven't read the bill.
The Chicken Little approach won't hack it and Nightie (or several others who've tried it) could tell you.
There will be no vast black market springing up or even a half-vast one.
Presently, however, there already is the equivalent truly huge body of tax evaders in the illegal economy composed of illegal aliens, drug dealers and others. They contribute basically nothing in the way of tax revenue now but will when they spend their now-illegal income for taxable things at retail under the FairTax. The dollar size of this evasion is far greater than any sort of black marklet that could ever be devised under the FairTax.
False. You buy no taxable items, you receive the "prebate" regardless.
lol
Forced and unconvincing, tinged with desperation.
You're not forced to take foodstamps either. And it's a much smaller entitlement scheme than the "prebate."
Oh, I see - you try to pretend that such indexation can only increase and not decrease???? AAn interesting reading of the law. Could you point out where it says that?
The rate claculated each year is not "to give the Guv the money they need" at all but to distribute entitlement funds in the same proportion they not are distributed presently.
As has been shown time and time again...
irrespective of income, people find money to spend. The data show.
Which of these groups will spend below the poverty level? (You'll need to click the link).
Who is desperate? THe one who posts data and uses the data to support assertion or the one who ignores the data and name-calls?
You arrogantly assume that everyone has such a simple tax situation. In fact, I recently has a 23 page tax return filed (all pages were required) and my accountant charged "somewhat" more the your paltry $500.
The point really is that the tax showing on those forms is not at all the complete amount of tax you pay as you've been told many times.
Showing your butt doesn't count.
irrespective of income, people find money to spend.
First, you're begging the question; second, not all spending is taxable.
Care to try for a strike three?
It doesn't include employee payroll taxes
Are you trying a lame attempt at the old pissing up a barn door contest against grandpa's barn to see who makes the highest mark?
I stopped that before you were born.
The link shows that it doesn't matter WHAT is reported for income, poverty level spending is achieved.
That means there is no overpayment of refund.
Click the link, it won't overwhelm you - it's just one page.
Yes, he is a fool. I firsst encountered him back about '98 or so on the Tax Reform threads and I have yet to find anything useful he has contributed to the discussions.
You're right.
Yes ... there is no "socialist orientation" in the FairTax, but only in your greatly distorted view of it.
He has that nice apple on his posts. Too bad the posts are devoid of information.
And if it turns out substantially better as most economists think it will and you benefit greatly from it - ane you willing to donate all the hundreds and thousands of dollars (or more probably) to the "Pigdog Pacification Charity" that I'll found??
You surely wouldn't want to profit from something you're morally opposed to. (Would you???)
False. Any individual signed up on the "prebate" dole can pay less than the entitlement check in taxes. And not all purchases are taxable.
You're spitting teeth while pretending victory.
Naw - go read what Marx actually said. His hot button was the income tax.
Redistribution of income and entitlements. Marx and Boortz.
And YOU - having not read the bill and knowing next to nothing about it do not understand that with the FairTax the taxpayer has no "bumping into" the state (or federal) tax authority. They interact with the busineses who collect the tax, not the taxpayer. And they have ample legal ammunition to detect and shut down the sorts of black markets you think will be vast. They won't even be half-vast and most will wish they hac=d complied with the law since they are not paying the tax anyway - their customers are.
I frankly doubt many would be so foolish as to not charge me sales tax (taking on this liability themselves) in order to save me the sales tax. They'd rishk their entire business and even go to jail to help me out??? Whaddaguy!!!!
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